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Shhhhh! Dave’s not here.
starting Monday Nov. 24th
This is one of Dave’s best jags yet. This shit is brilliant. You’d have to read the idiocy that other people write in between to understand fully, or you could just understand what is happening in the first place. Either way. I’m handing out clues. Once I decide how to deal with the spelling and capitalization (the grammar is always pristine, hmmm?), I’m getting screenwriters and lawyers, I’m cutting an equal deal with Dave and we are going to go laughing all the way to a bank that doesn’t exist anymore. Then we will grab a few beers and start looking for a bank.
I’m not going to become I pirate, by the way. I’m thin enough and I’m not sure they have sane leadership (same way I feel about Venezuela, incidentally). In fact, in most of my opium dreams I am coming up with ways how to defeat the pirates. My latest scheme is a decoy oil-tanker. (know what I’m sayin’, Dawg?) In the meantime, I hope Obama names Dave Chief of Maritime Security, or Water Intelligence or whatever the fuck it’s called.
1) i’m gonna lose some wieght and become a pirate. that’s what i’ve always wanted to do any way. so this shit is perfect.
2) who ever heard of a fat pirate?
3) “Just what are the “ethical” arguements against nuclear power? This oughta be a side-splitter.”
whatever they are, you can be sure that the arguments for nuclear power are even funnier. ever heard of a nuclear powered pirate ship? cockbreath.
4) just stupid, nuclear powered pirate ships. who ever heard of such a thing? not while i have anything to say about it.
5) fuck trains, we should all be gearing up for long boats. anyone who mentions nuclear anything has to row.
6) budwieser, if i don’t see the fucking rapture this coming february i’m gonna be awfull pissed off. me an my pirate buddies are gonna come looking for you.
7) Yes, pirates, or Vikings, are a more apt metaphor.
shoot askosa, i ain’t engaging in no stinking fucking metaphors, like choochoo trains and shit.
8) or zombies fer christ’s sake, vampires niether. we’s talking fact, not fiction round here.
9) 14 yo girl? that’s a wench in training; i always say.
10) remember budwieser, rapture in february, or that’s your last prediction.
11) ever
12) Hopefully, your head will be in the fucking volcano.
laughing
13) State colleges and community colleges have a better chance.
the extistentionalism of ransom
sacking and looting 101
remedial math for pirates
pidgion english for communication
i’m telling ya, the best days are ahead of us.
14) ….
Ooooh, but I have to break in for this Yarra moment. If Yarra posts anymore stuff like this, I’m gonna have to devote a whole thread to him -
Asoka,
Why would any country want what is termed a ‘free trade agreement’ anyway?
You’re really boring as batshit when you drink the Obama flavor-ade.
How about we start applying a ‘time-horizon’ unit to your predictions of when the world will be a better place thanks to Obama?
… and I know you all hate me for this, but I actually find OeO quite friendly this week to our side of the force. Notice he never really attacks true regulars. Nick and Nudge being the only discernable eceptions, but then, it’s not like these two don’t like to give battle. My guess is that within two weeks of giving each other space, you will be friends. It works for me. But I’m no authority on the whole cyberlife thing and the internetz thing. Me don’ts know nuffins abouts dat.
He made me laugh a couple of times, too.
…And Part II…
Asoka,
“Bat shit is not boring. And what is happening now is not politics as usual.”
Clearly I’m ignorant; please explain the most interesting aspect of bat-shit.
You say it’s NOT politics as usual, then use a quote about how it has happened before, just that it’s ‘taken to a whole new level’ this time – but that is not explained in any real sense in that article (except that people ‘want to see leadership’ which is naught more than an unsubstantiated opinion) .
I know this is the internetz and pasting info is common, but that was a piss-weak example.
There’s a collective moan here (even if you can’t discern it) every time you post, nay paste, some long-winded waffle about how Obama will change everything.
Wake up dude and smell the sulphur.
Part III
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888
Asoka,
“In sixteen months, you, too, will be wearing an Obama happy face.” [asoka]
-Err, not on this side of the planet.[Yarra]So, you can dig up bat shit and find out what bats were eating a few hundred years ago at most. Doesn’t exactly give as much info as ice-cores or sedimentary rock, and wouldn’t have as diverse a bacterial population as some of the oxygen-deprived areas deep beneath the oceans.
As for a fertiliser, digging it out of the cave will disturb the bat population, I would think, and it would be a HS&E nightmare to send workers into an atmosphere full of noxious ammonia.
You want to make ammonia naturally/organically? Try Aquaponics. You don’t have to eat the fish if you’re vegetarian.
Some of the posts you make are pretty good – but for reasons outlined above, some are boring as batshit.
Dave starts up at 7:15 on the 25th
15)
http://www.tard-blog.com/archives/entries/ndpn/2_tards_and_stickers.phtml
Me: “Fine. I hate you. I hate you so much. My Dad hates you to. Your a sorry bitch. My dad buys me all the stickers I want, so I don’t even need more stickers. You are greedy and an asshole.”
16)
oh yeah, like “wizard” has something worthwhile to say.
[wizard is a complete douche who shows up once every 4 months. neither Dave or me can ever get a fix, we are usually so drunk we can't make any connection with "wizard." it comes to us in the coma-state only. But then we realize. It's "Wizard" !!!! That evil fuck.]
17)
destiny,
you make me hot.
18)
batshit is cool. but some retard named obama, is just another retard.
19)
all of you need to order and read this book, today. it will change your life fer sher.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Good-Bye-Depression-Constrict-Everyday/dp/0595094724/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227586927&sr=8-1
20)
“Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.”
21)
~zk~
I have this dream where I’m playing bagpipe on a flatbed rolling out of some vague Australian town. And this hot chick is running up to me and offering me a joint.
The Impact of the Highly Impropable
I wanted to clear some things up. I always want to make clear from the get-go that I don’t claim to be any kind of an authority or expert, nor do I claim to speak for Taleb. I simply have been following this stuff and paying attention to it more closely and for longer than anybody I know.
I was talking about this book long before it became popular to hold up as maybe something one should give a second glance. Not that it is all the rage, I keep seeing, “This is a black swan,” “this is not a black swan,” “black swans blocking out the sun,” and on and on.
It’s not that simple and yet it is not so much of a mystery. In fact, there is a big clue on the front of the book. The title is actually – The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable. That’s all. Nothing more or less. The book itself is a collection of stories and lessons about these highly improbable events. It, in my opinion, is an attempt by the author to teach the rest of us what he has learned from years of studying the philosophy of risk.
His primary focus is not wars and financial meltdowns, but all events, including ones much more mundane. Notice the subtitle says “highly” improbable, but it shouldn’t necessarily be assumed that he also assumes “high”impact. On another level the book is simply about math, statistics, probability, and our perception of them. Versus reality.
First, Black Swans can’t be blocking out the sun. They wouldn’t be Black Swans in that case.
A Black Swan is a highly improbably event. It isn’t something that nobody predicted and that a certain minority feels its hero miraculously predicted. Anybody who follows this train of thought clearly doesn’t understand the book. Taleb spends quite a bit of time on casino logic.
He makes very clear that somebody is always putting a huge amount of money all on red at roulette and winning. Someone is always hitting the jackpot on the slots. There are always huge payoffs. This is exactly why suckers continue to gamble. Because they see this and the animal in them thinks they could be next. But he also makes clear that somebody has to win, somewhere, all the time. Even thought the odds are ten billion to one, all around the globe there are ten billion hands being played every second, so every ten seconds somewhere, someone has to hit big. Multiply that by how many seconds there are in a day and how many people were present to see somebody hit big. The people that saw that were obviously people that are drawn to that sort of thing. Chances are they may be playing blackjack in that very room the next day. Be on vacation and have nothing better to do but gamble. But there is no “luck” in gambling. Only the very stupid and the Chinese believe this (which is weird, since I have never considered the Chinese stupid, quite the opposite).
It is pure numbers. And any single person has virtually no chance of ever scoring big. And the fact is they never do.
Case in point: Is there anybody that is well-known for making their fortune at the Roulette wheel? – which, coincindentally or not, has the best odds of any casino game with the possible exception of blackjack.
It isn’t that nobody predicted World War I (many prominent people, including Winston Churchill, did in one form or another) and it wasn’t that nobody predicted it would be serious.
It was that nobody predicted that it would be what it was.
It would be as if circa 1998 I predicted that in the next 20 years we would have some wars and recession or two and a depression and the Dow would hit 4000 after going above 14000 and we’d have 45% unemployment in 2012 and I went on like this for 12 pages and everything made sense, and I talked about bird-flu and AIDS and peak-oil.
But then what actually happened was a meteor struck Idaho and blasted westwards killing 80 million people and knocking half of California into the sea. The US recovered in 3 years, turned the new hole into a tourist attraction and went on to its most prosperous decades ever under a new Republican Party after the failed Presidency of Barack Obama, who was ridiculed for not realizing the potential of Iraq which bought Great Britain in an all stock deal in the mid-to-late 21st century and built its first car in a plant in Mosul in 2018. The plant was run by a former GM employee, Alfred E. Neuman, who was layed off in 2009, joined the National Guard and ended up marrying a translator from Baghdad and having children, one of whom would make porn movies in Moscow, another a best-selling novelist, and yet another, the first woman President of the United States.
I’m not making this up. (Well, I am making this up, obviously, but my point is that this is what Taleb means – this is his point).
As far-fetched as this seems, Taleb’s point is that this is how life is. He has a similar anecdote, not as whacky as mine, but the same thing. I’ll look it up when I have a chance.
Update 7pm Friday : Yes, this is still running and it appears that there are one or two people on there at any given time. I’m going to keep it running as Uncle Remus and Doom have accepted moderator producer positions (I’ve sent invites to Nudge, EE, and Holmes as well – the simple instructions for how to be a “producer” come with the invite, I will send an invite to anybody else that requests it)
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One thing to remember is that if you haven’t posted before or if you have been away for a while, your first comment needs to be approved by a producer, and you need to be approved as “always allow.”
There is a limit of 10 people at any one time that can be “always allowed” which is usually not a problem, but I’ve removed a couple of people from the list that haven’t been active to make room for any newcomers.
Otherwise each comment needs to be individually approved by a moderator.
No irreverence intended, good people of ZK & CFN, but the money really is all gone, and all they’re doing in Washingtoon is little but hastily rearranging the stage pieces so things look sufficiently different from just a little while ago. It is not working. Err, it’s not so much money as it is “real value” that cannot be endlessly generated and spent. As we have seen, the government can print (and sometimes does print) as much money as it wants. It gives out whole pallets of the stuff to anyone who shows up at the Treasury loading dock purporting to be a bank. (Maybe someone will try this with a Ryder truck and a few hundred dollars worth of printed large-format signs pasted onto the truck. How about “Berkshire Hathaway First Savings Bank of Boise, ID”?)
Don’t get me wrong: the government is free to print as much devalued paper money as it wants and distribute the stuff as it sees fit. It will most certainly continue along in this “spending” pattern as long as it can. Even now Obama is calling for a “larger economic stimulus” than the one Bush did last year. At the time Bush did it, it was called a giant payday loan, since the money would have to come from next year’s taxes, plus interest of course. If the plan amounts to the $700Bn Obama is talking about, and it goes to the people and not companies, it will work out to be something like $3,000 per household on average. I feel it will end up being in the $1,200~$1,800 range, due to the inevitable compromises that will be worked out in Congress, but that’s just a guess. It will be just as ineffective as the last one.
Anyone with two or three brain cells to rub together knows that you cannot simply /manufacture/ money and expect it to be worth the same as money that was earned. In fact, it is widely known that the only way to make money for real is to earn it by selling goods or services that others will pay for, then save some of it and plow it back into operational investments. By denominating that honestly-earned money in the same units as freshly-printed phoney money (US dollars, for the time being) the powers-that-be are effectively pulling the same kind of stunt done by all those bond-rating agencies that took in bags of subprime dog-crap loans, sprayed Febreeze all over them (thanks DanaJ), and resold them as AAA-rated investment securities. They are calling it the same kind of money even though it is not really the same kind of money.
Yesterday on NPR I had the misfortune to hear that president-elect Obama plans to engage in one of those “carbon cap & trade” schemes in an effort to reduce pollution and incidentally gin up some money through folks swapping carbon credits back and forth.
Sigh. I was really expecting better than this. What a shame it seems to be that the ivory-tower theorists seem to rule the roost in Washingtoon, and not the sort of folks (let’s call them “systems realists” for lack of a better term) who think it’s all too obvious what will happen at certain sorts of companies (like AIG) when they’re handed gobs of money with no rules for accountability.
Carbon cap & trade” schemes are sort of like the lite or warm & fuzzy version of fines. Normally when you break the law, and get caught at it, there is some fine to be paid or possibly jail time to be served.
Imagine, however, that you could sell off the fine or the jail term to someone else. (Just for kicks, let’s apply the concept to speeding when behind the wheel of an automobile. No doubt there are a number of Porsche / Corvette / Ferrari owners out there who would gleefully purchase the “speeding credits” from other people in order to continue endangering everyone else on the road.)
The trouble thus far with implementing systems of fines for pollution (at least in countries like this, where the big businesses have successfully warped the whole playing field in their favor) has been that the businesses have successfully lobbied to keep the fines low enough that they simply pay them and keep polluting anyway. No doubt for many of these companies, it is cheaper to pay the fines than to actually fix the problem and install scrubbers or upgrade their equipment or whatever. In some cases, effective-enough pollution controls do not yet even exist.
The next Plan B cooked up by our merry crew of non-realists in Washingtoon seems to have been designed by the power company lobbyists more than anyone else. Over cocktails and on golf courses and at power lunches, they suggested to our politicians that perhaps “some market activity could generate money” if those fines were thought of as “sellable rights to pollute” and were allowed to be freely traded.
What a concept .. allowing an entity to sell off its legal liabilities (or to allow it to purchase limited legal get-out-of-jail coupons) for breaking certain laws. This is classic disconnection-speak.
As for the concept of market activity itself to “generate money” and “result in increased value of the things being traded” .. didn’t we just try that with, umm, the whole stock market? It has now “lost” approximately half the “value” it had at the market apex in the fall of 2007. I put these things in quotes because the value was hallucinatory anyway, and it’s hardly possible to lose that which was never possessed in the first place. No doubt there are some retirement funds somewhere still holding Enron stock, or stock from pets.com, or stock in the makers of Beanie Babies.
The reason the current set of fines has been so easy for business to ignore is that the most egregious polluters have effectively bargained with the government in the same way that air traffic controllers, policemen, firemen, and other types are not allowed to do. In effect, they have told the government that if the fines get raised past X (whatever) they will shut down, raise their rates, lay off people, or “be forced to shrink their business”.
When the power generation industry takes this approach with government regulations about pollution, it’s a /really/ big hint that those same operations should be state-owned and not run by independent operators seeking profit.
There is no guarantee whatsoever that the traded prices of carbon credits (again, the sellable rights to pollute, or the purchasable rights to violate the law, whichever way you prefer to see it) will rise; and if they do not rise, then the promise of money generation via market activity will have been proved to be entirely false. There is no guarantee that the most polluting industries will not simply continue to ignore the fines or sell off their right-to-pollute, both of which have been scaled so as to be cheaper than fixing the problem at the point of emission. Again, this approach was designed by and for the contingent of lobbyists representing the most polluting industries .. what else could we expect from them?
In that vein, I’d like to put forth a modest proposal, modeled on Johnathon Swift’s excellent proposals, on how to deal with corporate and executive crime. Every citizen should be granted a $5,000 credit against the legal ramifications resulting from any possible offense along the lines of doing a certain level of harm to the executives at any corporation who have been found to break the law operate fraudulently, who have misspent government bailout monies, who have operated at levels of gross inefficiency, or who have polluted the environment. Any citizen committing any of those offenses /after/ selling off his or her credit shall be subject to the full legal penalties thereof. Likewise, any citizen who’s purchased enough “crime credits” shall face limited penalties or even no penalties at all if sufficient credits are available. These credits shall be fully subject to being sold and traded in a special market designed for these same credits.
Sensible, reasonable, responsible, modest caps shall be placed on the total possible fines for doing a certain level of harm to the executives at any corporation who have been found to break the law operate fraudulently, misspend government bailout monies, operate at levels of gross inefficiency, or pollute the environment. In keeping with the modest (and excruciatingly lame) pollution fine caps established by the lobbyists representing the most polluting industries, we may wish to consider the following set of fines:
$10,000 .. kidnapping an single executive (multiples at slightly reduced fines);
$20,000 .. inhuming an executive from such a company (multiples at slightly reduced fines);
$30,000 .. decommissioning a plant (or piece of machinery) that’s polluting .. with fines to be scaled to the amount of pollution generated by the thing in question .. for example, decommissioning a Hummer2 might be a $200 fine, while doing the same to a coal-fired power plant might be a $30,000 fine;
With all the market activity generated by the buying and selling of these credits, it’s almost certain that we’ll all make money off it. Praise capitalism and pass the ammo, sister!
[Dear Readers, let me assure you that the term “Pol-Mol” has nothing to do with Pŏl-mol, North Korea… although one can never be too sure with the mysterious EEofDC, who threw me for a lop with some of her wonderful responses to my profoundly immature questions. And the photos: it just doesn’t get any better than this! Enjoy…]
Bunn Bunn: EEofDC, you’ve lived in or near Washington, DC and have been engaged with and interested in your community long enough to speak wisdom on a great variety of topics, in particular Beltway history, politics, music, arts and culture… if you don’t mind me asking, have you ever been or considered working as a consultant or lobbyist?
EEofDC: Let me start off by saying that it’s such a thrill for me to be communicating with a creature that is probably as equally high strung and wary about life as I am. And I’m honored that you’re interested in my view of things Washingtonian.
http://todayspictures.slate.com/20081127/
I hope this is the best Thanksgiving everybody ever has (except for next year, when I’ve had time to perfect my methods).
So for the 700th time this year…
I wanted to say :
T H A N K Y O U (Try to imagine the black letters are white on a black background, Gobble, Gobble)
-JR
i’m gonna lose some wieght and become a pirate. that’s what i’ve always wanted to do any way. so this shit is perfect.
who ever heard of a fat pirate?
-Dave
(that had nothing to do with pirates, it just sounds like it)
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of brass-monkey – that funky monkey
In the glorious tradition of the purported “staycation”, tonight I’m sending out a dose of love to any of you who are stuck home rereading Slaughterhouse-Five for the umpteenth time. Deluded babies, forget about that reading shit… and, for the love of bunn, give that 1972 vintage Atari pong console a rest. Look at yerself… look at yuz! In the midst of your self-inflicted squalor, I can only recommend that you instead take a po-man’s virtual reality vacation to Fantastic L.A.!
Here’s what you need to do. First, open up another instance of your browser and start listening to this song (look JR… Buenos Aires!)
Then sequence through these pictures, over and over again, until you are ready to commit suicide or reach into the virtual glove box for something other than a camera.
Editor’s Note: Holmes was kind enough to share with me these photographs that he shot Friday evening on his way home. (Silly monkey… driving and attempting to simultaneously work a digital camera. He’ll do just about anything for the sake of “art” specially once he’s under sway of an idea. If he didn’t feed me with Swiss-like precision each AM and with such dedication, I’d ridicule him further.)
…and all the pirate news that is fit to print.
Hijacked Supertanker Drops Anchor (Thanks, Autonomous Unit)
Automaker Failure to Be `Catastrophic,’ Wagoner Says
Well, then let it fail. I’m more inclined to believe it won’t be catastrophic and might actually be a good thing because you obviously don’t know what you are talking about and in the words of Mark Cuban,”You couldn’t run a Dairy Queen for a day.”
Why bailout won’t save Detroit
Political reality will lead to some form of assistance given the popularity of Keynesian fiscal stimuli these days and the amount of pressure being applied by industry. Unfortunately, people like to assume that once Detroit retools its factories and stocks its showrooms with the fuel efficient cars and car-based SUVs of the future, happy days will return. They won’t.
As I wrote last summer, we simply have too many vehicles to sustain the Big 3’s current production capacity. The United States now has 981 cars for every 1,000 people of driving age compared to 613 in the United Kingdom and just 24 in China. As a result, no amount of government aid will stop the factory closures and layoffs.
I believe the industry should be allowed to crash and burn. The arguments that we need it to build “all our tanks and equipment” as Debbie Stabenow says looking like she’s about to cry and that we need to “make things” in this country as a writer we all know likes to point out are garbage. I also believe that this Congress with the full support of President-elect Obama will provide the $25 billion since it is a drop-in-the-bucket compared to the numbers Americans saw in the headlines before the election. If it doesn’t happen right away, Detroit will continue to whine and threaten and manipulate until it does.
Wagoner himself has said that GM would be open to almost any strings attached to a bailout. Let me be very clear that $25 billion will not solve the problem, but will delay the inevitable for a year or two at which point we will go through all this again.
What absolutely needs to happen and must be the first condition on any money or “loans” given to detroit is that the entire roster of executives must leave within 60 days and must forfeit any bonuses or any agreements that would pay them a single cent more than they have already made.
It is absolutely disgusting to me that these people are not hanging by piano-wire on the White House lawn. The problem with Detroit has been clearly obvious for at least a decade. These same people who are testifying in Washington this very minute have for that entire period argued vehemently against every possible suggestion and measure that would have prevented this problem. That Congress pays any attention to them is a further indictment of the sad oversight our “leadership” provides.
Now the scapegoat is Japan and “Asia.” Protectionism. Lies, all Lies. Volkswagen, Honda, and Toyota make better cars. Period. Detroit builds big, stupid trucks and cheap, 8-cylinder race cars.
Nardelli is now saying that they “chased the demand up” for consumers’ desire for larger, higher-horsepower vehicles for their boats, trailers, blah-blah-blah. But that they have now learned their lesson are are going to make sure they have a more balanced fleet. Wagoner blames a cheaper credit environment. Nardelli actually continues by blaming the problem on the consumer for buying larger, more luxurious cars that they could not afford by leveraging the equity in their homes.
Bullshit. Dodd quickly catches Wagoner and points out that GM was providing that credit and pushing those loans. What about all the marketing for these Hemis and F-150s, trying to outdue Toyota Tundras.
And where are the smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles? If you don’t have designs that are going to sell, restructuring and balancing all you want is not going to change a damn thing. Oh, this whole thing is making me ill, I should just turn off the TV and go read my new biography of Churchill.
My Hybrid Is Bigger Than Your Hybrid
How Bankruptcy Would Benefit GM (Thanks Tipping)
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt by Mitt Romney (Thanks, Nick, we may have to revoke your Socialist credentials for this one)
By the way, this is a great editorial. Thanks again, Nick. There are some minor, pedantic points I disagree with, I’ll probably go into more detail as this season of the AutoBailout continues, but overall nice job.
But I think we all know what this is. It is of course the beginning of the longest Presidential campaign in American history, longer even than the 2008 campaign which ran approximately 2 years. Welcome to Indecision 2012. It officially started on Tuesday, November 18th, 2008 (If anybody can point to an earlier date, please do) – 2 months before the previous President was actually President. That’s some crazy-ass time-machine warping-of-space/time-continuum shit. Narly dude.
Of course, we may never know, but I’m guessing Mitt Romney with McCain as VP would have made a better ticket. Especially running against an Edwards or Clinton Democratic ticket. If one takes an honest look back on the campaign, you’ll find there were so many turning points that it essentially came down to luck.
When was the last time you heard Obama mention Iraq? When was the last time you heard one of his supporters mention Iraq?
Too bad Romney never envisioned the possibility of the current financial crisis. He’d be President now. He better think about hiring some more competent advisors next time. Of course, the best way for Obama to avoid a lost election in 2012 may be to appoint Mitt Romney “Detroit” czar ASAP.
I mean, once he gets over himself and his new rockstar status and is finished with the corny 60 Minutes interviews with his completely annoying wife, kids, mother-in-law, dog, dead grandparents, college-football hangups, etc. Please tell me he won’t do an Oprah interview. If he does, I hope he jumps over the couch like Tom Cruise.
Before I give you the impression that I think virtually all politicians are scum – Let me assure you I do. I’ll bet you Barack Obama knows less about Iraq than General Petreaus. And there is not really any excuse for that. Because their responsibilities regarding Iraq are one and the same with some very important, yet subtle differences. And no, I don’t want to hear about Bush, because like I’ve said before, he’s already finished. Let’s talk about Obama.
I did like some of the things some of the Senators said today. Notably Richard Shelby. I’ll even admit the same regarding some of the things Chris Dodd said (although I generally dislike him). The problem is that these fuckers just can’t keep it up. It’s like they are prepared. The 99% of the time they are not on camera they are either asleep, shmoozing, drunk, taking bribes, or living the life of douchebaggery.
Or giving each other massages. What happened with Joe Lieberman? For all intents and purposes this guy should have been hung, drawn, and quartered. At least from what I had heard from the “liberal” media. Listening to my “Democratic” relatives ooohhing and aaawiing over how this should have happened today and what a jerk he was, I couldn’t help but interject that they certainly had no problem with him when he was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000. But first I had to point out to these Neardertals (spelling, and yes I guess this means I’m the descendant of neandertals) who Al Gore’s running mate was. One correctly remembered it was 2000 and John Edwards was Kerry’s VP the last time around (what short memories we have).
One had the audacity to claim that he (and his wife, speaking for her, how democratic, because, you know, she’s sitting right next to you, can’t remember, or is mute or something, so why wait for her to voice her own opinion) never liked Lieberman. Yeah, right. Like I can’t remember.
whatever they are, you can be sure that the arguments for nuclear power are even funnier. ever heard of a nuclear powered pirate ship? cockbreath.