June 2009 Open Thread

No, Bif gets zulukilo. … NO dude, there was never any doubt. Did you see the monkeys on her?

Lydia Guevara and bandoliers of carrots

Lydia Guevara and bandoliers of carrots

Yes. I freely admit to adding this one. ~BB



Link to story


“Monday, Monday… can’t trust that day.” I haven’t even checked to see if there are any grenades waiting in my mail box. Anyways… this is probably the best energy article you’re going to find today. Trust me. Granted, some of the stuff is “duh, no shit”, but it’s a clear-eyed overview and provides an interesting USGS update with regard to coal.

U.S. Foresees a Thinner Cushion of Coal


Every year, federal employee George Warholic calculates America’s vast coal reserves the same way his predecessors have for decades: He looks up the prior year’s coal-reserve estimate, subtracts the year’s nationwide production and arrives at a new official tally.

Coal provides nearly one-quarter of the total energy consumed in the U.S., and by Mr. Warholic’s estimate, the country has enough in the ground to last about 240 years. A belief in this nearly boundless supply has led officials to dub the U.S. the “Saudi Arabia of Coal.”

But the estimate, recent findings show, may be wildly overconfident.

While there is almost certainly as much coal in the ground as Mr. Warholic’s Energy Information Administration believes, relatively little of it can be profitably extracted. Last year, the U.S. Geological Survey completed an extensive analysis of Wyoming’s Gillette coal field, the nation’s largest and most productive, and determined that less than 6% of the coal in its biggest beds could be mined profitably, even at prices higher than today’s.

“We really can’t say we’re the Saudi Arabia of coal anymore,” says Brenda Pierce, head of the USGS team that conducted the study.

No one says the U.S. is facing a coal shortage. But the emerging ranks of “peak coal” theorists argue that current production levels may be unsustainable and, if anything, create a false sense of security. David Rutledge, an electrical-engineering professor at the California Institute of Technology who has studied global coal production, figures the U.S. has about half as much recoverable reserves as the government says, which would work out to about 120 years’ worth.

The Energy Information Administration, part of the Department of Energy, says it is reassessing its coal tally in light of the new Geological Survey data. It intends to create a new coal baseline from which it will begin its annual subtraction “as soon as we can,” says William Watson, a member of the energy analysis team at EIA in Washington, D.C.

In the field, challenges are becoming more apparent. Mining companies report they have to dig deeper and move more earth to extract coal from aging mines, driving up costs. Utilities have grown skittish about whether suppliers can ship promised coal on time. American Electric Power Co., the nation’s biggest coal buyer, says it has stepped up its due diligence to make sure its suppliers can make deliveries after some firms missed shipments last fall. It even bought a mine to lock down supplies.

“We are very much concerned, and it’s getting worse,” said Tim Light, senior vice president for AEP.

Coal mines began appearing in America in the early 1740s in Virginia. A century later, as the nation’s railroads branched out, coal provided fuel for steamships on the Mississippi and blast furnaces that made steel. The U.S. came to rely on abundant coal to generate electricity, too. About half of the electric power in the U.S. still is produced by coal combustion, more than in most other industrialized nations.

The country’s coal supplies have been seen as a bulwark of energy security. In 1979, as the U.S. was reeling from an oil shock, President Jimmy Carter pushed for projects to create liquefied gas from America’s vast coal reserves. Today the U.S. produces 1.1 billion tons of coal annually, more than any nation but China.

Concerns about supplies are out of the spotlight now, masked by what could be a short-term lull in the appetite for coal.

Recession has reduced demand from the two biggest users of coal, electricity producers and steelmakers. A proposed law capping greenhouse-gas emissions could make coal-generated electricity — currently one of the cheapest power sources — significantly more expensive. At the same time, the country has found itself awash in cleaner-burning natural gas after recent big discoveries, prompting some power companies to pull the plug on proposed coal plants and shift toward gas-fueled power generation.

Experts expect coal production to drop this year by 5% to 10%, or as much as 100 million tons. Prices for coal from Wyoming’s Powder River Basin are down nearly 30% from a year ago, to about $8.50 a ton. (Prices of Eastern coal, which burns hotter and typically doesn’t have to be transported as far to customers, have also fallen.)

Coal is down but hardly out. It remains the electric-power industry’s dominant fuel. Emerging “clean coal” technology could help improve coal’s environmental profile. And coal remains an energy ace in the hole, available to substitute for other fuels if shipments are disrupted.

Some in the coal industry believe concerns about future supplies are overblown. Coal advocates argue that improved technology could increase the amount of coal that can be extracted profitably. Coal “is certain to remain an enormously competitive energy resource by virtually any conceivable measure,” says Kim Link, spokeswoman for Arch Coal Inc., which produced about 12% of the nation’s coal last year.

The U.S. isn’t the only nation employing improved drilling data and computer modeling to reassess its supplies. Germany cut its proven hard-coal reserve estimates by more than 99% in 2004 as it explored reducing mining subsidies, which would make coal more expensive to extract. Overall, assessments of total world reserves dropped by half from 1980 to 2005, according to a study by Energy Watch Group, an independent group based in Germany.

The U.S. Geological Survey, the Department of the Interior’s science agency, attempted to get a clearer picture of the nation’s coal supplies beginning in 2004. Its full study of the Powder River Basin in Wyoming and Montana will be completed next year.

The agency began with the Powder River’s rich Gillette coal field, an 80-mile-long strip in northeastern Wyoming that contains the nation’s 10 top-producing mines. About one-third of all coal in the country is produced there. Some 1.2 million short tons leave the field daily, a river of coal filling more than 75 trains of 125 to 150 cars each.

For the Gillette study, USGS engineers, geologists and economists spent three years analyzing data from 10,200 drill holes, the most comprehensive study ever attempted of the region. The team concluded there are 201 billion short tons of coal in the Gillette field. Environmental rules and physical challenges put much of that out of reach, leaving what they figured were 77 billion short tons of recoverable coal.

Little is presently worth mining. Analyzing coal beds that contained 82% of the Gillette deposits, the team determined that with coal selling for $10.50 a ton, the prevailing price two years ago, less than 6% of the coal could be extracted profitably enough to leave mining companies an 8% rate of return.

If Powder River prices were to hit $60 a ton in current dollars, as much as 47% could be extracted. But at that price, coal would have a tough time competing with other fuels and technologies.

By adding an economic component, the study broke ground. Jim Luppens, an industry veteran who is now chief of the coal-assessment project for USGS, says policy makers often confuse the total coal resource — which he describes as the “blood, guts and feathers” number — with coal reserves, which he likens to the edible meat. “They mix up the R-words,” he says.

The findings are percolating through the coal and power industries. “USGS made a leap forward with this study,” says Vic Svec, spokesman for Peabody Energy Resources, the U.S.’s biggest coal company. He adds that when his company plugs in prices as the USGS study did, it reaches similar conclusions.

Modern estimates of the U.S. coal resource began in 1907, with field geologists reporting on outcroppings — places where coal stuck out of the ground — and mines. Based on consumption at the time, the USGS concluded there were three trillion tons of coal, enough to last 5,000 years. By the 1950s, armed with more mining data, the USGS and the now-defunct U.S. Bureau of Mines reduced their estimate of the total resource to 500 billion tons.

The federal method for calculating U.S. coal reserves has changed little in 35 years. In 1974, the Bureau of Mines established a baseline reserve level, considered good for its era. Each year since, the government — currently, the DOE’s Energy Information Administration — has subtracted each coal region’s production and mine waste to get a new estimate of what’s left in the ground.

In 2007, the EIA said the U.S. had a “demonstrated reserve base” of nearly 500 billion tons of coal. It regarded 267 million tons of that as “economically recoverable,” enough for 240 years.

Even Mr. Warholic, the EIA analyst, says he’s skeptical about the results. “It’s kind of crazy” to postulate how long U.S. reserves will last, he says. “It could be 110 years or 225 years or something completely different. It all depends on your assumptions.”

After many decades of mining, some of the country’s coal fields are showing their age. “What’s left to mine is not as easy as what we mined even 10 or 20 years ago,” says Janine Orf, spokeswoman for Patriot Coal Corp. in St. Louis. “The seams are getting thinner and there are more limestone intrusions.”

Even at the Gillette field, where surface mining started around 1924 and production still is buoyant, obstacles are emerging.

Coal at its Gillette’s eastern edge lies mostly close to the surface but the seams generally slope downward in a westerly direction, forcing miners to dig progressively deeper to extract it. At Arch Coal’s Black Thunder mine, five pits are moving westward and will intersect the main Burlington Northern-Santa Fe railroad line at some point. Arch then will have to move heavy equipment to the other side of the tracks and dig a new pit down several hundred feet, which it says could cost $100 million or more.

Coal’s big buyer, the power industry, has grown increasingly nervous about securing reliable suppliers for power plants that often have a useful life of 50 or 60 years. Plants fine-tune their equipment to burn the coal they expect to receive and to remove its particular pollutants from the waste stream. That makes it problematic to switch suppliers.

Last fall, production problems caused some coal producers in the East to struggle to fulfill contracts. Utility executives say the delays were a wake-up call.

American Electric Power has 9,100 railroad cars and 2,480 river barges dedicated to keeping its power plants furnished with coal. In May, AEP, together with a partner, Cleco Corp., bought a coal mine in Louisiana after a coal source faltered that had been furnishing fuel to a power plant they own together.

Buying the mine outright, says AEP’s Mr. Light, was the best way to understand — and control — how much coal the power company could expect to receive. “We don’t know what the future holds,” he said.

————end of article————-

With having unintentionally yet firmly established that no one gives a hoot about David Carradine, now let’s move on to a contrast in views with regard to Obama’s speech in Cairo.

A person named Moubayed (from Asia Times) published a piece today, seemingly from a Syrian perspective. He wrote:

“Certainly more people were listening to Obama in Syria and the Arab world than those who paid any attention to Bin Laden. Most Arabs reasoned that from where things stood under Bush, the only way to go in Arab-US relations was up. Things could never have gotten worse for the Middle East, and in testimony to that, the Arabs wanted someone who could inspire them to hope for a better future. Obama did just that with his Cairo speech.”

Whenever someone of questionable credibility uses the word “certainly”, immediately change all instances of the offending word to “hopefully” and then reread the recalibrated text. “Things could never have gotten worse for the Middle East…” Now that is just plain dumb.

Hanson’s piece for National Review raises concerns about Obama’s message. (You’d never suspect that Moubayed and Hanson live on the same planet.) Hanson writes:

“In short, few Arab leaders wish to give a “speech to the West.” They would have to take responsibility, directly or indirectly, for either fostering or appeasing radical Islam, while denying their culpability for its decades of mass murdering. They would also have to lament the global economic havoc caused in part by oil cartels and energy price-fixing.

President Obama’s intent is noble, but therapeutic efforts to disguise the truth never really work. We will see how the short-term good created by his therapeutic speechmaking compares to the long-term harm caused by telling the Muslim world, once again, that its problems were largely created by us — and, therefore, that we are largely responsible for providing the remedies.”

Yes, of course! As others have suggested, the remedy is to dissuade you from interfering with our oil which — through an act of geologic malfeasance — somehow crept within the boundaries of your sovereign state. Please be patient. In these circumstances of persistent American military superiority, a comprehensive Rope-a-dope strategy will take approximately 20-30 years to unfold.


NBA Finals: Game 1 rout

“Bryant, playing like a man possessed, scored 40 points and the Los Angeles Lakers, who have waited nearly one year for a chance to erase bitter memories of a Boston beatdown and a championship they felt belonged to them, pounded the Orlando Magic 100-75 in Game 1 on Thursday night.

This year, nothing short of a 15th title will do for the Lakers.”


Turkish Grand Prix — tune in Sunday morning!


Celebrity leader prototype in action


David Carradine found dead in Bangkok.


Somehow, I missed this from the other day. Geithner in China


I’m scratching my head wondering why a former VP is spending so much time advancing his version of history (certainly against advice of counsel) and offering opinions on relatively unimportant issues such as same sex marriage. Is he about to die and this is some sort of attempt to square himself morally with family members? To the extent that it’s even relevant, he’s had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel for a lot of years now already. What gives?

Cheney supports same-sex marriage ‘on a state-by-state basis’

“Cheney has long departed from conservative orthodoxy on the issue. He said during the 2000 presidential campaign that same-sex marriage should be left to the states, and he caused a small uproar during the 2004 race by appearing to distance himself from a proposed constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, strongly supported by President George W. Bush.

Cheney’s position appears to put him to the left of the current president on the issue. President Obama has said he supports civil unions, rather than marriage, for gay and lesbian couples.”

(more news to be added as I get to it)

Editor’s Note: This isn’t what I normally do around here, but I’ll open thread “pinch hit” until JR or Bif or dave or Nudge or someone else wakes up.

157 Replies to “June 2009 Open Thread”

  1. I just read this travel guru who said that Athens deserves two days of your time, tops, then move the Hell out, but stopped reading so I don’t know where else he’s recommending just yet? Maybe a Greek isle? It’s just speculation—-

    I don’t like Cheney can talk his way out of war crimes, but it’s probably worth a shot, so to speak—-

  2. Well… when a robot makes noises suggesting that he’s a stronger social progressive than the live human in office and his ilk, you have to know that all those years on the Beltway weren’t just about chain smoking and plotting world domination.

    Please don’t ruin my fantasy. I’m stoked about the new cuddly freedom-fighting Dick Cheney!!! Motherfucker is going to remake the Republican party from the ground up. Whether they want him to or not.

  3. Bunn Bunn, will you please remove the recidivist tracking device from my ankle when oil reaches $90? I’ve been a model prisoner. I’ve learned the error of my ways. I’ll be responsible and vigilant. I mean it this time. Really… I do!

  4. Return to CFN?!? How fucking crazy is that! No can do. Still too busy for that sort of frolic. I’ll stay here and guard the still.

    But I fully understand your excitement over the prospect of cracking a new forum.

  5. me an’ dick are butt buddies from way back. he has the cutest grey haired anus and the dangliest nut sack ever. i love dick cheney; and i’m not ashamed to say it..

  6. Holmes has no credibility on oil. (Moreover, he’s certain of nothing.) You’re definitely better off asking jim e. He correctly called $60 by summer, as I recall.

    @Holmes, next time you throw a commodities Hail Mary, make sure you’re facing the right direction when you take the fucking snap, for Chrisakes… and that you always are keeping an eye out for a quick exit from a collapsing pocket. Douchbag!!

  7. “I think we need to take this place by storm. Slowly, if you know what I mean.”

    I’m always up for subversive takeovers, especially of beloved author-futurist hosted blog sites!

    You should return as Johnny F. Rico and let everyone guess what the F stands for, for a few days, anyway.

  8. Cthulu had to comment on CFN. Cthulu was amused by the 5 or 6 posters claiming to be the first commenters after JHK’s test post.

    Dave’s busy. Give him a break.

    Smoking is bad for you.

    Goddard invented the jump-cut in this film.

  9. Still here on the left flank. Way out on the flank. Indian country. Recon in force.

    You know, Jim_e has been right about a lot of things I’ve noticed. You need to closely monitor that one.

  10. What am I going to do with you folks? Honestly, if we could all just focus, why, we could rule the known World!

  11. we’re gonna honeymoon in the white moutains. dick loves it when i give him piggy back rides. then we’ll play foose ball into the wee hours.

  12. For your D-Day reading.

    “On the morning of 6 June 1944, D-Day, S-130 was one of the 31 battle-ready S-Boote sent to attack the Allied fleet. Several successes were claimed but, against such an assault force (4126 landing vessels and transports, 1213 warships and total air supremacy over the landing area and approaches), the Kriegsmarine could do little to hinder the massed landings. The 9th Flotilla sank a number of landing craft but records do not indicate whether any were attributed to S-130. Since two of her ship’s company were killed, however, it may reasonably be deduced that she was in the thick of the action.”


  13. Donovan, by coincidence I had just read about this recently in Joseph Balkoski’s book “Omaha Beach”.

    In April 1944, German S-Boats (aka E-Boats) attacked American LSTs training off the coast of England, over a month prior to the invasion, killing more than 700 troops and sailers, and wounding 300. It was a disaster that was kept secret from the media given that the invasion would soon commence. This loss was greater than the casualties taken during the landings at Utah Beach on June 6.


  14. http://www.mrburnett.net/apworldhistory/maps/middleeast6mandates.bmp

    well, if not for the british, or more particularly thier fomer colony, there would be no such thing as soverigne states, so called, within the middle east. this has been anglo saxon territory since the end of ww1. the huns got pushed out twice. it was the british who drafted the current boundaries and established, by and large, the forebearers of the current politicos. fuck, there would be no such thing as a palastinian if not for the british. they just made it up for the jews. then the jews got greedy, i think.

  15. Cool map, thanks. British Hinterland of Aden… as whimsical as it sounds, in consideration of Monty Python, Benny Hill and so many other British treasures that followed, it has to be real and not merely a cartographic flourish.

  16. i hope dave can explain what that old Kung Fu guy was attempting to do to himself in that hotel room closet–seems a strange way to entertain yourself, and exactly how does one do that alone, Kung Fu master and all—-

  17. MOU, a superb glimpse of future events, when enough of the lumpenprole watch this guy and figure he’s on to something! Unemployed folks make great guerilla fighters. My guess is they’ll work for food, too.

    Makes me want to hurry and submit my research papers before the country collapses.

  18. As long as we continue to confuse convenience for freedom and denial for decision, then we don’t fucking get it. I’m pretty sure that is not what any of them fought for.

  19. Without Cisco, you wouldn’t be posting–for all the world to see–your phony, self-serving tripe, ya little dickless snake oil salesman.

  20. Yeah, EE, wait until the Discover card knee busters locate his signal, hee hee, bet he’ll pay up next time!

  21. Was that fat guy ranting about Cisco too? How did I miss that part? The sound quality was a bit buzzy. Thank god… for a second there, I thought you were (in a psychotic rage and) attempting to make your bones at Donovan’s expense.

    All I know is that I want to be paid. I’m completely upfront about it too, I think. People only believe what they want to anyway, regardless what anyone else says.

    Go Lakers!

  22. He was mentioning that Cisco is only a R&D biz in the states now-a-days- the routers are made in China. Soon the coding will be all in India.
    He has a point. Jobs at GM are replaced w/ jobs at Walmart at 1/3 the wage. Half the population has a below average IQ- they aren’t coding for Cisco, but could install dashboards. A service economy doesn’t add enough value to maintain the middle class.
    Why do you think Watertown NY is full of welfare bums collecting tattoos? All the factories are closed.

  23. AU, I fully agree that it’s in the best interest of this nation (any nation) to maintain a technically competent and well-educated work force. All along, I have fiercely opposed the corporate culture of offshoring and the brutalization of proles via easy and mostly unwarranted extensions of personal credit.

    I know… absent overt protectionism it’s essentially impossible to compete with super low cost foreign labor. When the watermark of the middle class keeps dropping, just about everyone in that particular country is going to become poorer at some point.

    The inhuman treasonous globalists are willing to take a chance that no one will come for them in the night. I wish them luck.

  24. AU, good points—since this is D-Day +65 years, it got me to thinking, ala Kuntsler and the “Angry Al” character MOU dug up, above, that it wouldn’t take much–say, a promise to restore those old factory jobs, but this time to make more Sherman tanks–and we’d get us a corn-pone neo-Nazi fürer to revitalize the working class AmeriKan heartland.

    Think it can’t happen? I wonder. Seems a lot of trends are heading in that direction, like pseudo two-party politics merging to one-party and the blend of technology and military-industrial with financial influence here and abroad. Add in a lot of unhappy, disenfranchised and unemployed, perhaps starving former middle class looking for decisive leadership, and voila!

  25. i think the one on the left is a hero. imagine the stories he’ll get to tell his sons, all 52,000 of them. of course squid mate and then die. it’s all part of god’s plan.

  26. “Why do you think Watertown NY is full of welfare bums collecting tattoos? All the factories are closed.”

    Watertown has been headed downhill since the mid-1950s, when my grandmother was a kindergarten teacher at the Knickerbocker School there. Kunstler was so busy trying to confirm his biases that he was too lazy to drive about 8 miles due west and check out Sackets Harbor, which has risen like a Phoenix from the ashes.


    Check out Photo 9–Gram was born in the house on the right, which was an abandoned shell when I spent my summers with her in the late fifties and early sixties. The harbor peninsula was also a dirty, overgrown off-limits spit (my friends and I would sneak through the “no entry” barriers to explore the rotting, abandoned shacks looking for hidden treasure) that has been transformed into a thriving marina.

    Madison Barracks, which was a huge army installation that was shuttered at the end of WWII, also sat there rotting and inaccesible for decades.

  27. bunnbunn,

    EE is looking to make her bones but it ain’t at Donovan’s expense. It is the Kunstmeister himself she is gunning (or is that bunning?) for.

  28. MOU, EE, AU, dave et al.

    If you’re really looking to waste some time, you have to try this out…


    Type in any place of interest, say… “watertown new york”. Zoom in a bit, and then grab the little yellow guy from the upper left hand corner and drag him to any location. Street level views with camera controls (upper left again) allow you to step by step move up the street, turning left and right, etc. Forgive me if I’m late to the party on this one, but WOW! Now degenerates like Holmes can take a vacation without even having to change out of their smoking jacket and slippers. Actually he doesn’t wear a smoking jacket or slippers, but he should seriously consider it.

  29. Okay, Watertown might be too much of a backwater for Google to have bothered with street level camera work (just yet). Instead try Saratoga Springs. He he. If you really want to study something interesting, take a virtual walking tour through Manhattan in NYC.

  30. I wish I had known the Google camera crew was moving through my neighborhood. I could have ran out there and offered them a lemonade or something if they’d put me in the picture waving my penis at the camera. Gotdammit! Foiled again. I guess things could be worse: I could have died and been reincarnated as David Carradine’s kimona.

  31. “Now degenerates like Holmes can take a vacation without even having to change out of their smoking jacket and slippers. ” -bunnbunn

    Exactly, bunn, you brain! Save on the inconvenience of crashing at sea in the middle of the night on Airbus flight.

    MOU, you clever fox (how DID you figure out how to boldface a word in your post?), “Mr. Red Shorts” and his fairly transparent demagoguing on gold really irritated me. Let them eat bark, I say!

    Qi Yuting’s earliest memories are of suffering and hunger. She remembers her mother bowing to the Japanese soldiers who occupied China starting in 1937. When she was 3, people in her village survived by eating tree bark. Her parents once bought her a corn cake, a rare treat, but before she could take a bite, someone ripped it out of her hands and ran off. Qi recalled she burst into tears.


  32. You mean like this?
    Or like this?

    Actually I don’t know what all will work here so I will try others.

    This should be big

    This text should be small

    This text should be teletype style

  33. Hey EE, bark beats them Hatian mud cookies, I guess? I recall many moons ago little girls about your age trying to get me to eat some of their lovely kitchen creations—I also recall there were native american tribes up in the NE sector infamous for their winter bark eating by some of the more prosperous tribes—

  34. Yooooou Whooooo! Jay Our! Where you stay, bro?

    Gail told me she wants to meet you for lunch next time you’re in Atlanta or she’s up in Boston–NOT.

    Knock, knock, knock, anybody home?

    Who left all these gold bars on the coffee table? Is this some kind of practical joke?

  35. No, let’s ask ourselves why the fuck health-care costs so damn much, not how are we going to keep paying for escalating costs.

    Let’s start with 3rd party billings. Fucking middlemen. And the misguided notion of physician compensation. W.T.F. And medicare rules are just fucking insane.

    Then let’s ask ourselves about the toxic environment we’ve made for ourselves – TV, automobiles, Twinkies, KFC – basically the non-negotiable American Way Of Life. Adopting a healthy lifestyle would mean labor camp – physical activity and limited caloric intake – for a significant portion of the population.

    People work jobs they fucking hate and for people they’d rather kill for
    shit wages just to get some semblance of healthcare coverage for themselves and their family. And now, the assholes in Congress want to tax it.

    And yet, and yet, they wonder why businesses can’t keep healthcare coverage, or be competitive globally. They fucking wonder. But they still ponder taxing (penalizing) those that try.

    This isn’t just a government problem, this is a societal problem wherein Americans really fail to grasp that everything has a price. Every fucking thing.

    The greatest generation has yet to be in the this country. That’s the generation that makes the hard choice to finally pay the tab. And it will cost them everything. Every fucking thing.


  36. GB, thanks, now I recall it was that term. Maybe the Adirondack Mountains are not such a good place to hang out in TLE? Go Seminoles!

  37. Hey GB and Doom-

    Many moons ago, I posted (I think it was back on CFN) the genesis of the Adirondack name. According to my sources, the fiercest of the Great Lakes Natives did not particpate in bark-eating, and labeled those Natives that did “bark-eaters” as an insult.

    Life must have been very tough–short and brutal–especially in the winter. European missionaries and explorers reported that cannibalism occurred amongst the natives when there was a choice between that and starvation. A lot of interncine warfare until the formation of the Five Nations. Here’s some interesting reading.


  38. ya the greatest retard generation still getting a free ride cause a a couple a thousand of thier buddies died a little early on omaha beach or some such silly retard place. fucking geezers.

  39. so what’s up wit dat? i want to read tha fucking wsj and i gotta pay? fucking geezers, die you old cocksuckers. i wish that each and every one of you shit wads had died on fucking d-day. the krauts would be in charge and we’d all have health insurance, 6 weeks of vaca and all the fucking beer and bukake movies, with fraulines, not asians, no less, that we could ever possibly want. cocksucks, why aren’t you more like sqiud? you know, shoot some sperm on an egg case and then die. i hate all of your old worthless lieing asses.

  40. no bunnbunn, it’ not. it directs me, maybe not you, but i don’t give a shit about that; cause it directs me to somekindof pay for reading this shit page.

  41. I posted the whole article, except for the pictures.

    Budlight… isn’t that the water used in car washes?

  42. That pisses me off too. I pay good money for that shit! I should be able to share it with others, especially for (arguably) educational purposes.

  43. although i do have to admit to a taste for an ice cold michelobe on a hot summer afternoon.

  44. All accounts of native american lifestyle during the early years of European contact don’t represent how they lived just a few short years before contact. Flu, measles, etc. wiped out a good percentage of the population, as there was zero experience of these diseases before european contact. The Plains indians didn’t have horses until strays from Mexico were adopted; they experienced a great surge in their material wealth. Warfare over access to trading metal tools and guns skewed things politically.

  45. Don’t those 110-250 years of coal reserves refer to current usage rates anyways?

  46. Yeah, AU, I think you’re right. They start out saying 5,000 years, and the more they think and refine the calculations/model the smaller the number gets! Also, who is to say what is going to be considered “economical” compared to alternatives in the future? Various alternatives may get legislated off (or otherwise effectively prohibited from being traded on) free markets even if they are more economical.

  47. “Warfare over access to trading metal tools and guns skewed things politically.” –Autonomous Unit


    Yup, I’d agree with Jared Diamond–“Guns, Germs and Steel.” The only beast of burden in the western hemisphere at the time of the initial Spanish incursions into Central and South America was the llama. And, of course, each nationality believed it had the patent on “God’s unending stamp of approval to wipe out the heathens.”

  48. hahahahaha, my youngest son, aged 11, thinks i’m a hopeless alcoholic because i drink one (1) cold beer after work! boy, that kid hasn’t seen nothin’ yet. i have drinkin’ buddies that never want to not have a cold beer in their hand until they pass out sometime later in the evening. unfortunately for them, they usually drink Bud light.

    i suppose i’m also hopelessly addicted to nicotine, as every few weeks, depending on the occasion, i’ll light up a fine cigar.

    you know, you can go through this life never having experienced a damn thing, fuckin’ tea totters.

  49. IF we make it to 2100 (about 90 years from now), we will have basically depleted all global coal reserves, plus phosphate. That will make the current oil depletion look like a walk in the park on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

    But no to worry, there won’t be any humans around to speak of by then, anyway.

  50. “Even Mr. Warholic, the EIA analyst, says he’s skeptical about the results. ”

    Mr. Warholic??? Life is so amusing–no one can make these things up!

  51. I recalled that in his talk he addressed the issue of inadequate information on US coal reserves, and the economics regarding the remaining coal reserves are not being looked at. However his slides don’t go very far in addressing this. Oh well.

  52. “The Day Before America”, by William McLeish (1994), covers what is known or theorized about the natural history of North America from the end of the last ice age up until the point of European discovery. Its not a fabulous book, but it is quite interesting, and worth checking out of the library. The arrival of humans, settlement and bad behavior, climate change, adaptation, extinction. There was a world of shit going on before the Europeans showed up.

  53. “There was a world of shit going on before the Europeans showed up.”

    Christ, do ya think?

  54. The best temp gig in history
    Posted Sep 30 2008, 12:47 PM by Kim Peterson Rating: Filed under: Kim Peterson, JPMorgan, Washington Mutual

    Congress wants to crack down on CEO mega-salaries for banks participating in the bailout. And while the politicians argue how best to do that, Alan Fishman of Washington Mutual is headed for the doors with $19 million in his pocket.

    If that wasn’t outrageous enough, consider this: Fishman started the job three weeks ago. I never saw the employment ad Fishman answered, but it must have read something like this:

    WANTED: Top executive for train-wreck bank about to be seized by federal regulators. Must be able to look busy while FDIC sells business from under you. Previous experience with angry shareholders sitting on worthless stock a plus. Perks: $7.5 million hiring bonus and $11.6 million cash severance.

    Fishman got the best temp gig in history. He gets to keep the bonus and severance pay, though he must stay on the job while JPMorgan Chase completes its purchase of WaMu’s banking assets.

    To be fair, Fishman wasn’t the one that took WaMu down a path lined with toxic mortgages and other bad assets. No, that role belonged to former CEO Kerry Killinger, who received $54 million over five years before leaving earlier this month. He’s eligible for around $20 million in severance pay.

    Other execs are also cashing in big. President Stephen Rotella gets $12.7 million in cash if he’s terminated or quits with “good reason,” according to the Portland Business Journal. And CFO Thomas Casey would get a cash severance of $6.3 million.

    And WaMu shareholders got huge payments of…oh, wait. The stock is worthless. Shareholders got wiped out.

  55. “Have you guys been hanging out in a cave for the last week?”

    Over at Osama’s crib for the holiday weekend?

  56. EE, like the fall of the Western Roman Empire, they will be discussing these events for a long, long time, perhaps over an open fire, whilst roasting a nice, plump, freshly caught rodent, and passing around old, grease-spotted copies of ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ in lieu of TV trays—

  57. Everywhere I turn… imitators, deity manqués, pretenders to the throne.


    P.S. — Fuck David Carradine! (I personally know people who can testify to his doucheiness.) Double fuck Quentin Tarantino. Peddle your degenerate blacksploitation fantasies somewhere else, motherfucker. You sniveling Hong Kong cinema mongering fairie!!! Did I mention, go fuck yourself?

    P.P.S. — If I could kill all of you, I would. Second Century, ehh? We’ll see about that.

  58. What? Tell Holmes to get you some floor tickets. That will make you feel better.

    I downloaded and read much of the CNA document (i.e. the 90 pager). Excellent find.

    The military needs to focus on capability, training and readiness. I don’t see where they should put heavy emphasis on reducing “carbon boot print” except in what is gained through economization and energy efficiency, and in a way that preserves or enhances ability to accomplish the mission. Its an organization who’s only purpose is to be ready to apply force and win, and then to go do it. Under the present circumstances, low carbon fuels for purposes of climate mitigation are a bit much to ask of military operations, and it is naive. (What on earth do they do all day in these think tanks?)

  59. What do you make of the ten banks paying back their TARP funds? Cap down those executive compensation packages and its all asses and elbows to get them back. I suppose in the next few days we’ll be hearing about the dirty rotten financial manueverings that made this possible and reunited big boys with their gravy trains. I know, it’s all about attracting and retaining talent.

  60. The left flank could use a few cans of petrol. And I want the good stuff, not some stinkin California fuel standard shit. And another thing, these vegetable oil flame throwers couldn’t fry an egg.

  61. OK. Don’t forget, if things get rough they want us to save and recycle the brass casings. Don’t litter. Pass the word down the line.

  62. “(What on earth do they do all day in these think tanks?)” –St. Bif

    Cogitate and then postulate absurd scenarios that include maintaining themselves “ad infinitum” in said situations.

  63. $135 billion in real or fakebonds are seized as two Japanese buisnessmen try to smuggle the bonds into Switzerland using a false bottom suitcase. Some of the bonds were denominated in $1,000,000,000.00. Freaky. Has Dr. Evil updated his sense of inflation?



  64. ‘”But Mr Kildee, who has lived there nearly all his life, said he had first to overcome a deeply ingrained American cultural mindset that “big is good” and that cities should sprawl – Flint covers 34 square miles.

    He said: “The obsession with growth is sadly a very American thing. Across the US, there’s an assumption that all development is good, that if communities are growing they are successful. If they’re shrinking, they’re failing.”‘


  65. ‘Even for the hard-edged secessionist crowd, with their rapt attentiveness to America’s roots, popular texts in the future-trend genre mingle in their minds with the yellowed scrolls of the anti-federalists. “The cornerstone of my thought,” Daniel Miller of the Texas Nationalist Movement told me, is John Naisbitt’s 1995 best seller, “Global Paradox,” which celebrates the entrepreneurial ethos in positing that “the bigger the world economy, the more powerful its smallest players.”’


  66. I recognize this painting Bunn.

    Jerry Johnson whisked away from CFN by cornucopian trolls, never to be heard from again.

  67. I’d like to claim credit for adding that picture, but it wasn’t me. (Maybe someone isn’t really on vacation as much as they should be?!?) Besides, everyone knows that I rarely read The New York Times.

    I’ve been mulling over what to say about Orlov’s latest Powerpoint manifesto. I’m slightly disappointed that he’s making such a big deal out of a single data point, namely, the fact that the price of oil (energy? not sure what he meant) was ~25% of GDP at the time oil crashed. So now he seems to think that we’re in for a sequence of successive bounces in the price of oil, each smaller than the next, then each followed by another commodities crash, repeating ad infinitum like a damping function.

    There’s no way it’s going to unfold in such a predictable way. I respect the guy’s intellect, but I think he probably is doing people a disservice here by oversimplifying. And the so-called supporting evidence that he linked to was nothing of the sort.

    Coincidentally, I’ve been working (for weeks now) on a more nuanced and comprehensive explanation. Originally, I was just doing this for my own edification, but if it withstands my own strict scrutiny, I’ll post it for all of you to consider, tear apart, etc.

  68. We might see a black swan- mebbe a microbe that eats tar sands(shale oil, bitumen,cellulose+lignans, etc., take your pick) and pees light crude and NG.
    Maybe China invades Siberia.
    Maybe Greenland melts, and a new Gharwar is found under the ice. It could hapen. Jus’ sayin’.

  69. AU, as much as I’d like to see another Ghawar “surprise” field, we’d need five moron just to keep what we’re doing now going out to 2020-2030 or so, per the EIA/IEA crowd.

  70. I know, Dr.
    Actually, another Gharwar being discovered would only prolong the agony.

    On a unrelated note, who needs web-bots (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/ ) to gather the zeitgeist and predict the future? I’ve been noticing the surge in popularity of skulls as a fashion statement. Check out how many youts are wearing skulls on their t-shirts the next time you visit the mall.


    Skull t-shirts, and other skull statements have been around since I can remember- tattoos, flaming skulls on motorcyclces, vans, Deadheads, etc., but I see a big uptick in sightings.

  71. Bunn, regarding your recent picture post, I was wondering if we could divide up the nibbling chores—-

  72. Doom, this seems like a unique opportunity to literally eat one’s way to a piece of history, namely, the granddaughter of Che himself. If the commie bastard were alive today, I’m sure he would have a genuine laugh about you and I wrestling over who gets to nibble first.

  73. To each according to his need… ehh, never mind. You go ahead and secure the perimeter, apply tanning oil to strategic areas, designate scapegoats, etc. I’ll be back in time for the interrogation.

  74. Doom,

    Figure three is freaky, if his data input is correct. Lots of assumptions went into that table, but the general direction of the thing, probably not so radical an “assumption.” I have had the thought that they might be trying to crash the economy so that they have an excuse to take it over and lock down our energy usage because they damn well know what is coming. That is all it is, a thought.

  75. MOU, it’s alright, just hold my hand and we’ll get through this together. Here’s the bad news, the cliff is even steeper than depicted in the figure. Are you still packing the 9 mm? We have top men and women, trouble is, they’re scattered all over.

  76. Doom,

    We should think of some big energy using project (Like NUKE-U-LAR FEEESION), or throw a really big party (Oh, wait, we already did) just so we can burn up the rest o that shit and get on wid it.

    You should write a gag grant and submit it to the Obama team, just to see if it get’s funded. Shovel ready BS, know what I am saying? It could be great fun.

  77. MOU, thanks for the links, which I will read. It’s looking a lot like “time’s up” for many mega-projects, the big alt-E investments, including nuclear. We should have been starting to build those extra power plants a decade or two ago. The gamblers partied to the end, and then lost it all in the last, great Greenspan bubble. We’re just ambling around now, waiting fot the rest of the world to wake up and drop the other shoe. How’s that garden progressing?

  78. MOU et al. — does anyone have a link to a legible version of Taibbi’s RS article?

    It’s hard to tell the difference between most purported journalism and interpretive dance anymore. I have no expectation that things will be different this time.

    If I come to my senses I won’t read it at all, even if Holmes pinches (or, heaven forbid, pays for) a copy at some newsstand. To save face, he could hide the copy of Rolling Stone inside one of those tattoo and/or lowrider magazines. We didn’t work this hard establishing deep cover to piss it all away on a whim. I have to keep my hand on the wheel still — so to speak.


  79. Say mister, is that a smokeless cigarette in your pocket, or are you just glad to see us?

    Welcome to Zulu Kilo (in my best Ricardo Montalban voice)

  80. Howdy everyone,

    Im new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself, my name is Joseph and I’m form Australia. I’ve been a long time lurker who has finally decided to make an account and contribute.

  81. WTF! – How can people like Bernie Bicoy – who is a twice convicted child molestor make bail?

    This punk faked himself as a lawyer and Venture Capital – VC Research Expert with a slippery tongue to win trust of children. Out of all people, the system released him home?

    It’s sad but the neighborhoods of Lake Forest are hazardous. Is it possible to appeal?

  82. Earth Hour 2010 happens on Saturday 27 March and is really a worldwide call to action to every single individual, each and every business enterprise and every single community throughout the world.

    It is really a call to stand up, to take accountability, for getting engaged and steer the best way towards a environmentally friendly foreseeable future.

    May you be involved?

  83. I just came in from watching a young fisher scrambling up and down the slopes of a ravine behind my house. This is the second time in 2 years or so, that I’ve seen one here at home. The previous local sighting was a large adult running on 3 legs in the middle of a snowstorm. I think these critters are what eat the meat scraps and carcasses I often leave outside in the back. Nice to know my gifts are being consumed by such a beautiful animal and that this species is making a comeback.


  84. Doc, when I see this fisher which needs at least several square miles of home territory to find enough food to eat (to say nothing about finding a mate) and is able to exert tremendous energy to locate, kill, and eat its prey up in the treetops I have to admire it. If it falls from a tree limb has no safety net.

  85. Parallèlement, le collectif des mosquées de nantes a protesté contre la médiatisation de cmotercalote affaire, s’indignant d’une « stigmatisation systématique » motercalo

  86. Strangely, this thread has become a spambot favorite. Did I inadvertently do something ingenious with the hypertags?

  87. tanks eh, ryan for reminding us that this tread exists and that lovely picture of Ms. Guevara with all her deadly carrots.

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