95 Replies to “American Heroes (Open Thread)”

  1. Americans suck. They are the worst of the worst. Termites eating at the fabric of the world. Parasites. I’m sure termites have their heros, too. Little John Henry’s that can eat resources (wood) faster than the rest of the hive.

    Love,
    Osama bin There-Done-That

  2. Go back to your cave O. We are the greatest country in the universe.

    Countries with the most Miss Universe titles:

    USA – 7
    Venezuela – 6
    Puerto Rico – 5
    Sweden – 3

  3. stupid fucking jap monkeys. didn’t they know that the usa monkeys were swimming in oil in 1945.

    they never had a single jap girl monkey win miss universe.

  4. yeah, basically industry is all about burning ff’s and useing up over shit as fast as possible. it’s all good.

  5. oh please, i have a younger older sister dumb as two short, thick boards that reads her People magazines.

    i’m thinking of canceling my subscription to Time magazine. i do like to keep up with their propaganda, but get tired of their many bullshit-as journalism attempts.

    i’m with you, Uncle Osama!

  6. reminds me of jimmy earl lighting his beer farts with a cigarette lighter many moon ago. funny stunt until one of them blue flames decided to back-draft up his butt. twas painful to watch.

  7. boarding and jazz. the two reasons that every fucking monkey on the planet wants to be fucking ‘merican. plus we gots lots a big titted round assed girl monkeys.

  8. well, industry is getting its’ own museum. i guess that that’s a sure sign that it really is over. except for those fucking chinks, i think that they’re going to try to drag things out for awhile, fucking shiteaters.

    http://www.nmih.org

  9. yeah, i for one am really glad that here in ‘merica we’re building museums for industry of the past, can’t seem to get past digging holes in the ground for a new 911 tower for 9 years now; and high speed rail… anyways, kustler should move to china if he likes fucking trains so much. i can tell you one thing, as much as i hate to fly, and as much as kunstler likes to rag about it(flying), it’s way bettern’ amtrak.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China

  10. back in the ’30’s i’m pretty sure that the empire state building was designed in like 2 weeks(no shit, we don’t even believe shit like this anymore) and then built in like 16 months, or something like that. thank god for decedance and entropy, that’s all i can say.

  11. fucking chinks cain’t do this shit. and c. hitchens? he cain’t do shit niether. and, plus, that cocksmokers’ dieing from cancer and shit, lucky bastard.

  12. Dumb shit ‘merican. wo fat can do that stuff. Easy. not worry about blow out knees. that what artificial joints for.

  13. yeah, i don’t know, how anyone can single out any player, kissenger in this case, in a system based exclusively on coersion, in one form or another, is fucking beyond me.

    take bill clinton, just fer instance, from everything that i know, he engineered iraq sanctions that lead directly or indirectly to the deaths of about .5 million iraqis, i guess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions

    not that i really give a fuck one way or the other.

    but the problem with pointing a finger at someone is twofold.

    first, it just serves in allowing to the pointer to feel good about him or herself. as in: look, that’s him, not me.

    second, it serves to deflect attention from a system, probably hardwired, that is based purly and inherantly on violence.

    so, i’d still have to hold my opinion that c. hitchens is just not worth reading, and the sooner he’s dead, the better of we’ll all be.

  14. wofat, one thing about chinese dudes that they can’t get around, weather they can skate or not, is that they have tiny little dicks, sucks to be you.

  15. dave, you might enjoy these books by C. Hitchens (not that I’ve read any of them myself). Bif awhile back recommended Hitch 22.

  16. “so, i’d still have to hold my opinion that c. hitchens is just not worth reading”

    You are certainly right in that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

    And I, strictly for my own edification, am grateful Hitchens did the footwork and connected the dots on Kissinger. The big difference between Kissinger and Clinton, IMHO, is that Clinton didn’t make a career out of inciting genocide and then exploiting it for personal financial gain.

  17. True, Kissinger was one of many. So was Barry Bonds. Depending on the outrage, the writer picks the biggest douchebag in the bunch and explores/reconstructs the systemic douchebaggery around him that made it possible. Someone has to be the example of the worst case result and the surprise is often how far the douchebag sphere extends outward to snare the accomplices, enablers, imitators, etc. No surprise the public and media are often in some way guilty of egging the evil on. These things can be done with great skill and insight, to the point of revealing some larger truth about a society, or just people in general. This can be useful for anticpating the rhymes of tomorrow’s history.

    As far as Hitchens, I sometimes was on board with his views and sometimes not, but I always enjoyed his mastery of language and words. More than anything I just like the way he writes. I don’t give too much weight on whether he sold me on a notion, but respect the skill with which he tried.

  18. The big difference between Kissinger and Clinton, IMHO, is that Clinton didn’t make a career out of inciting genocide and then exploiting it for personal financial gain.

    well, of course i’d disagree. just as another ferinstance, in addition to his well documented direct role in iraq, bc was instrumental in legitemizing the wto and in solidifying the role of the world bank. both of these organizations work explictly to to funnel funds to the elite of the world. the function of all elites is to exploit the rank and file. this of course can and does include genocide(not that i, personally, have anything against genocide, as long as i’m not being the one genocided.) the clintons are very rich at this point, probably richer than hk, but i don’t know that for a fact.

  19. True, Kissinger was one of many. So was Barry Bonds. Depending on the outrage, the writer picks the biggest douchebag in the bunch and explores/reconstructs the systemic douchebaggery around him that made it possible. Someone has to be the example of the worst case result and the surprise is often how far the douchebag sphere extends outward to snare the accomplices, enablers, imitators, etc. No surprise the public and media are often in some way guilty of egging the evil on. These things can be done with great skill and insight, to the point of revealing some larger truth about a society, or just people in general. This can be useful for anticpating the rhymes of tomorrow’s history.

    if this was only the case, but it’s just not true as a general principle in anyway that i can detect anyway. i mean shit, just look at recent events, and the actions right in front of you. for example, lot’s and lot’s of people make the case that bush 1 was a war criminal of sorts(not that i agree). so what does bc do other than more of the same. famously, these efforts were escalated by bush2 and again condemed by many. so what does bho do other than more of the same? the players and specifics may get rotated and shook around a little, but the beat goes on is all.

  20. it’s been famously said, actions speak louder than words. first shut off the sound track, including hitchens if he’s fucking you up, then just just take look at what people are accutally doing, not what they’re saying or talking about.

  21. “well, of course i’d disagree.”

    and of course I’d be shocked if you didn’t…

    “the function of all elites is to exploit the rank and file.”

    I’m sure none of them–whomever they are (even Henry the K)–would think that’s what they’re doing. Why, just yesterday, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett were over in Beijing at a private billionaires’ dinner they organized to strongarm your favorite Chinese moguls into giving their fortunes to charity.

    ” this of course can and does include genocide…”

    You have a point on the genocide aspect–maybe it’s better to put folks out of their misery than to let them suffer through a life of pain. [However, if the reincarnation supporters are right, there will be hell to pay down the pike.]

    “first shut off the sound track, including hitchens if he’s fucking you up, then just just take look at what people are accutally doing…”

    I’m way ahead of you on this one, dave.

    In the early ’70s, (no doubt when you were busy asserting your alpha-maleness and spreading the “dave gene” around) whenever Nixon would appear on the tube, I’d immediately jump up, turn the sound down completely, and slap on a Rolling Stones or Eric Burden & War Album.

    Hitchens doesn’t screw me up. In fact, I don’t agree with most of what he writes (he seems to have a hair up his butt about most things) but I did have an epiphany when I read his HK pieces, years apart and years ago. It just confirmed what I had felt, with no empirical evidence, 30 years before.

    You do have a great point about turning down the noise–something I definitely need to do regarding the Internet. As Sting said, “Too much information!”

  22. I’m sure none of them–whomever they are (even Henry the K)–would think that’s what they’re doing.

    well, they might or might not use a different word than exploit. they might be “providing leadership” in thier code, or they might be sick of looking at all the stupid fuck faced eaters, or ect; we’re just going down the rabbit hole of semantics.

    the only real point is that they are as much a part of an overall “system”, for lack of a better word, as you and/or i are. and, that system rests exclusively on the ability to exert violence. so, the bottum line is that hk, just for example, simply plays his part within a system of violence, just like you and me. hence, to condem hk, is to condem yourself.

    the caveat being, there is no fucking way for any of us to escape the system. the system must fall apart. just like a hurricane falls apart over land or cold water.

  23. the only ones we can’t point our collective industrial fingers at are the few remaining hunter/gatherers out there. but they have thier own shit to deal with. to be a hunter means exactly that you are a predator(just semantics). to be a predator means that you deal in life or death violence. it’s all good.

  24. With respect to all that, what’s so great about Dolan?

    he and i resonate. what else is there to say? ever seen a sexy girl?

  25. “we’re just going down the rabbit hole of semantics…”

    Nothing new and different for you and me, as I recall. Isn’t that what posting and blogging, and maybe life, are about… semantics?

    “…hence, to condem hk, is to condem yourself.”

    Nowhere did I condemn HK. He is just someone whose actions, described extensively in the public domain, are repugnant to me, personally. Just call me Chamberlain

    “the caveat being, there is no fucking way for any of us to escape the system. the system must fall apart.”

    Yep… entropy. Works every time.

    “i jerk off to his nihilism.”

    So, dave, speaking of semantics, why is it that you come across verbally as a violently angry guy–to me at least?

  26. the real reason you’re picking on poor old henry K is he is and was a hypocrit. folks don’t like hypocrits or hypocritical behavior. saddam was also widely hated because he was a hypocrit. ironically, not by americans, by the iraqi people.

    i wonder what would happen if i stole dave’s buick, ran it into a tree and then squirted mustard all over his new jacket? at least i wouldn’t be a hypocrit.

  27. So, dave, speaking of semantics, why is it that you come across verbally as a violently angry guy–to me at least?

    well, i sure don’t know. you’d have to tell me why i seem that way to you.

  28. Nowhere did I condemn HK. He is just someone whose actions, described extensively in the public domain, are repugnant to me, personally. Just call me Chamberlain

    so, then why do you find his actions repugnant? to me, he was just fullfilling his functions within the empire to the best of his abilities. how can that stir such feelings? do you hate your auto mechanic cause he fixes cars that spew poisonous gases, suck up resouces, require that people like hk constantly have go out and work at securing those resources? and then wants to get paid for it? and tells his wife and kids what a good hard working guy he is? what a fucking hypocite. i mean that guy really sucks, to me personally anyway.

  29. and, somehow, it seems that you don’t find bill cliton’s very similar actions(to hk, not the mechanic) repugnant. so, and i’m not a stickler for consistancy, but your position just seems odd to the point of being bizzar. maybe it’s me. maybe you don’t like hk’s accent; that’s understandable.

  30. you know who i find repugnant for thier role in society, more than anyone else, as a group? school teachers. of course, personally, i usually like them just fine.

    ee, i bet that if you met hk face to face, you’d like him just fine too.

  31. Nothing new and different for you and me, as I recall. Isn’t that what posting and blogging, and maybe life, are about… semantics?

    well, the difference between you and me ee, is that i try to clear up the semantic impasse; whereas you reley on it.

  32. dave and ee chase each other around the intellectual deck chairs as the ship goes down. might as well keep busy doing something, huh?

    meanwhile, bunn and jr ride off into the sunset in pursuit of hitchens’ writing style.

    good luck, folks.

  33. fuck off doom. go tell some fucking freshmen about some igneous rocks or some other such shit. no, since you’re in fucking hi, talk about different types of lava, which is a precursor to igneous, or maybe metamorphic. yeah, fucking geology is acedemic.

  34. fuck off doom. go tell some fucking freshmen about some igneous rocks or some other such shit. no, since you’re in fucking hi, talk about different types of lava, which is a precursor to igneous, or maybe metamorphic. yeah, fucking geology is acedemic.

    dulely fucked. i could not agree with you any moron, dave. totally academic, and these days it seems more like infotainment than education. yesterday i taught the freshman class graduate students about manganese nodules and crusts on the seafloor. i finished by saying that there were plenty of precious industrial metals, like rare earths, in them, but too bad we were running out of energy to extract them in such deep water, so far away from land ports. if anyone does, it will likely be the chinese, as if they needed the metals to sell moron TVs, ipods and such to american consumers.

  35. “and, somehow, it seems that you don’t find bill cliton’s very similar actions(to hk, not the mechanic) repugnant. ”

    Actually, I don’t like “Bill Cliton” (or his honey bunny, Hillary) either but for the most part stemming from different reasons.

    “ee, i bet that if you met hk face to face, you’d like him just fine too.”

    I have and I don’t. Most people who have “made it” as Washington celebrities/power brokers, etc. are extremely toxic and of no interest to me.

    “…i try to clear up the semantic impasse; whereas you reley on it.”

    If you say so, dave, then it must be.

  36. I have and I don’t. Most people who have “made it” as Washington celebrities/power brokers, etc. are extremely toxic and of no interest to me.

    yes,yes. that’s fine, very nice that you don’t like hk for personal reasons, and that you like to feel superior to your social “betters”, for lack of a better word at the moment. i don’t like his accent either. but, we’re talking about condeming him, or finding him repugnant if you prefer, for playing a social role wich he, or some other replacement, equally obnoxious i’m sure, has no choice but to perform. semantics aside, can you focus for even the space of 2 or 3 sentances? seems to be the real question.

  37. it’s like talking to fucking nudge or something. dave: gee nudge, bicyles are an industrial product. nudge: no, bicycles can be built by blacksmiths. dave: ???????????????????????

  38. dave: hk plays a social role, and therefore should not be condemed for it. in fact, pointing fingers at such figures serves primarily to make the pointer feel good about him or herself. ee: no you’re wrong cause i don’t like hk and his ilk and that makes me feel superior to them, they’re toxic. dave: er, ok????????????????????????

  39. dave, just because you’re so smart and funny, so please jump in that fabulous Buick, drive up to Boston, find JR and point a gun at him or just pretend to get angry with him if he doesn’t blog here anymoron, etc.

    anch, probably too much work. if anyone could do it, it would be you, though.

    tellin him we miss him sure isn’t working too good.

    ps. your comment about nudge and her precious bicycle is so funny, because it’s true. i figure if they were gonna be important in a WMBH, then JHK would have featured them and not horses, wagons, etc. blacksmiths, hahahaha.

  40. “…we’re talking about condeming him, or finding him repugnant if you prefer, ”

    No, dave, “WE’RE” not talking about condemning HK. “YOU’RE” the one who is out to prove something. You repeatedly cherry-pick portions of my comments, interpret them to mean something they don’t, and then end with a head fake, attempting to credit your thinly-veiled sense of superiority onto my words.

    “…for playing a social role wich he, or some other replacement, equally obnoxious i’m sure, has no choice but to perform.”

    HK is no Manchurian Candidate.

  41. i don’t know ee, if hk and bill clinton do similar things while playing similar social roles, yet, you dislike both, but for different, unnamed, reasons, what am i, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to think? if both hk and bill clinton perform genocide(if either did that) in service of the state, why does hk derserve public censure for his role in genocide, while bill clinton only derserves censure for other unnamed acts, but not genocide? maybe you think that starving a million irqais is not genocide. maybe, when it come to starving people, you have to hit 20 mil or so, like stalin, for it to count as genocide? i just don’t know what your standards on genocide are, i guess.

    and, of course, the bigger question is, what would, or could, anyone else do if they happend to be in bc’s or hk’s, or even js’s place?

  42. No, dave, “WE’RE” not talking about condemning HK. “YOU’RE” the one who is out to prove something. You repeatedly cherry-pick portions of my comments, interpret them to mean something they don’t, and then end with a head fake, attempting to credit your thinly-veiled sense of superiority onto my words.

    no, i’m not out to “prove” nothing. i’m simply asking some pretty plainly worded, illustrated to the best of my ability, questions. you just keep dancing around them for reasons of your own, i guess.

  43. HK is no Manchurian Candidate.

    in my view, hk is no more or less “brainwashed” than you or your mechanic buddy; if that’s your point in this remark. again, i’ll ask the question: what would, or could, anyone else, finding themselves in hk’s circumstance, in regards to his service to the state, have done differently? and, and i know this is the hard part, why might you think that?

  44. see ee, this is called having an adult conversation, something you’re obviously not used to doing, hanging around washington cocktail parties an’ all.

  45. “what am i, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to think?”

    Whatever you want to….

    “i just don’t know what your standards on genocide are, i guess.”

    Oh, c’mon, dave, can’t you just admit that you really don’t care what my, or anyone else’s, standards are?

    “…and, of course, the bigger question is, what would, or could, anyone else do if they happend to be in bc’s or hk’s, or even js’s place?”

    Don’t know who “js” is, but he or she, along with HK and BC, could follow your lead and blame “the system”–the devil made me do it!!

  46. “what would, or could, anyone else, finding themselves in hk’s circumstance, in regards to his service to the state, have done differently?”

    HK, BC, etc. do not “find themselves in circumstances”… their lifelong, self-justified choices and actions, disregarding the laws of unintended consequences–leading up to the situation they find themselves in–cultivate/create these circumstances.

    “and, and i know this is the hard part, why might you think that?”

    There you go again, dave, with your smug superiority… tsk, tsk, tsk!

  47. HK, BC, etc. do not “find themselves in circumstances”… their lifelong, self-justified choices and actions, disregarding the laws of unintended consequences–leading up to the situation they find themselves in–cultivate/create these circumstances.

    well, this is kind of funny, but at least you’re starting to address the issues. so, you’re saying that hk, bc, you, the mechanic, all created the situation that we find ourselves in? hk, and/or bc, through “thier lifelong, self justified choices and actions”, etc. created an idustrial civilization which they then fucking “chose” to serve by creating genocides, for wich hk should be censured , but not bc? jesus fucking christ, i may not be superior, but even i aint fucking stupid enough to buy that fucking story.

    no, common, just admit that you’re envious and get it fucking over with. you are fucking rediculous.

    now, i’ll be the first to admit that people, and most other living things, use circumstance to thier best percieved advantage. but to think that hk, or bc, is responsible for thier own circumstance, anymore than you or i are, is, dare i use the word, yes, it’s fucking retarded.

  48. thank you ee, you made my evening. i can now go have a drink and watch a mike judge movie with good conscience.

  49. ok, i’m sorry, now that i’ve stopped rolling around on floor and shit, please, maybe you can address one more very pointed question for me? leaving hk and bc aside for the moment, the mechanic, do you think it’s his intention to preserve a machine that spews noxious gasses, degrades the environment, consumes resources and, sorry, causes, i guess, both hk and bc and thier various interchageable standins, to go out and commit genocide on a regular basis? or, is all that an unitended consequance of his actions?

  50. someday we should talk about u.s. grant and the fucking indians. grant was the greatest us president, i guess.

  51. grant drank whisky and smoked a lot of cigars. he was one of our greatest, and most relaxed presidents.

  52. “but to think that hk, or bc, is responsible for is responsible for thier own circumstance, anymore than you or i are, is, dare i use the word, yes, it’s fucking retarded.”

    Yeah, God forbid we should be held accountable for choices we make. As if Bill and Hill and Hanky-Panky didn’t know exactly what they were getting into under the guise of becoming “public servants” or “celebrities” or serial killers, for that matter.

    “no, common, just admit that you’re envious and get it fucking over with.”

    As I said above, if you say so, then it must be.

    “you are fucking rediculous.”

    It’s all the system’s fault.

    “i can now go have a drink and watch a mike judge movie with good conscience.”

    But, dave, how can that be? You don’t have a conscience.

  53. Can a “thinly-veiled sense of superiority” be confused with pragmatic indifference?

    Just wondering…

  54. Yeah, God forbid we should be held accountable for choices we make. As if Bill and Hill and Hanky-Panky didn’t know exactly what they were getting into under the guise of becoming “public servants” or “celebrities” or serial killers, for that matter.

    well, i would guess they knew that a willingness to commit genocide goes along with such social roles, and so does anyone else with even half a fucking brain. isn’t that the point, that people in such social positions must, have no choice, but to commit genocide? just like a mechanic must fix cars, a president, at least with these particular set of circumstance, must go to war, must commit genocide?

  55. here, like i said a long time back in this thread, turn off the soundtrack and take a look at what people are doing. that dosen’t mean turn off nixon and turn on the fucking rolloing stones. Anyway, despite all the rehtoric of freedom, feed the fucking poor, heroism, etc., here’s the record, at least the way i see it:

    bho – war/genocide torture
    bush2 – genocide/war/torture
    bc – genocide/war/torture
    bush1 – torture/genocide/war
    regan – jellybeans/war/genocide/real bad acting/torture
    carter – not sure
    nixon – hk/war/genocide/torture/tapes
    johnson – genocide/war/torture
    jfk- more of the same with a good looking wife
    etc.
    etc.
    etc.

    what might all that tell you? what do you want do, point your waggy little stupid finger at the whole fucking world?

  56. It’s all the system’s fault.

    it’s nobody’s “fault”. you sound more like my seventh grade nun teacher than than a functioning adult. wait i take that back, i blame the teachers. yeah, it’s thier fault.

  57. Can a “thinly-veiled sense of superiority” be confused with pragmatic indifference?

    ee, just veryvery confused, or extremely fucking stupid. with my sense of compassion still intact, i’m trying to go with confused. but it’s not always easy. i’m only fucking human you know.

  58. “regan – jellybeans/war/genocide/real bad acting/torture”

    Memories – you’re talking about memories.

  59. “Can a “thinly-veiled sense of superiority” be confused with pragmatic indifference? Just wondering…”

    In dave’s case, Remus, does it matter? At least he stopped obsessing/ranting about anal sex for a few days. (You’re so predictable, dave.)

  60. ee, have you ever had your asshole oiled and fucked? i bet you’d like it. way bettern’ than cocktail party fulla self involved dumbshits like yourself.

  61. well, since you can’t seem to hold a thought, or even have a thought that hasen’t been screened for appropriate content, or have an adult conversation about anything else, i figured that you might want to talk about anal sex. i mean shit(pun intended) you were the one who brought it up, not me. so what do you think of anal sex. i like it. in fact, i’ve been known to lick an asshole or two. how about you? do any of your cocktail party buddies like anal sex? what’s the gossip? maybe you could hook me up. i’m all ears.

  62. i mean fuck, if you want to talk about our system of genocide and ecocide, and roles of the various players involved, i be happy to. but you can’t seem to keep up. then you get all frustrated and mad and shit. so anal sex it is, it’s omething we can all agree on afterall.

  63. ee, we should hook up for anal sex. i fucking guaratee that it will be more fun than any cocktail party you ever went to. i’ll even give you an enema first, no shit( ilove making puns, it the highest form of humor, as we all know).

  64. see how right you are now ee. the dream of every fucking dumbshit out there has come true just for you. and you have only me to thank. so don’t forget that.

  65. and ee, get this, since i am a strict believer in fare play, i will let you give me an enema BEFORE you lick my asshole. how’s ’bout them apples? i for one cannot fucking wait for this love affair to begin.

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