88 Replies to “Open Thread December”

  1. wow, look, a ZK thread with only 4 comments posted! it’s like, like finding a new exoplanet that’s habitable just like Earth. too bad they’re all a bazillion light years away, huh? i’m sure they’ll think of something.

  2. When you consider the Trillions we’ve squandered with nothing to show for it when we could be mining the solar system by now. A new life off-world.

    I’d like to know the real reason we stopped exploring space and developing our heavy lift capabilities. We either find a way off this rock/petri dish or we as a species will perish here.

  3. well, as you know, it’s expensive. the cold war is over, and they can’t get a new one started because the russians refuse to play. if the PTB need moron metals, there’s plenty on the seafloor (deep-sea Mn nodules, phosphate nodules on the shelves). not as sexy as mining the moon or asteriods, but.

    try as they might, they can’t find any definitive evidence of life on mars or anywhere else they’ve looked. nasa is like a singer without a hit song, a QB without touchdowns, a hooker without paying customers, etc.

  4. doom, I don’t buy the expense aspect. no offense, but for similar monies, I’d rather spent it getting off-world than on the ocean floor.

  5. remus, i realize the incentives for going off-world, like the survival of the species, but… recall al bartlett’s famous lecture on the exponential function. at one minute to midnight the pond is only half filled with scum. no problems in sight, only clear skies, lotsa room, the future’s so bright, we’ll need to wear shades, etc., etc.

    so, how many worlds would we need now to keep the party going? it’s going to be human die-off, and it will be spectacular. stock up on ammo and popcorn.

  6. i wonder how many former sheep meat processors lost their jobs to that automated factory and how their union leaders feel about it. done deal, of course. still some jobs left for the plant operators and maintenance crew. i guess they’ll be the next to go.

  7. did i tell you about the fancy robot with all the cameras and gas sensors on it that they (NASA or USGS) sent into the crater on Mt. Redoubt volcano in Alaska? it took a few steps down this scree slope, then stumbled in the rocks and tumbled into the crater. not sure if they ever recovered it. oh well.

  8. that reminds me of a similar, but in my case, survivable industrial squeeze play that nearly ended my life before making it to 21. in my case, the mid-section was the baloney in a 4-ton steel pipe sandwich. i was trying to get clear when one of the loose pipes got me. i thought about ducking, because there was room underneath, but for some reason, i imagined the above outcome, nixed that option and chose to stay upright while running toward the ends.

    result: still here typing on the internet and not just an interesting photograph, yet.

    wonder where the blood is coming from? eyes? ears? mouth? all three?

  9. do you think he suffered from claustrophobia for a moment or two before passing out from the intense migraine?

    Excedrin headache no. 179 (sorry)

  10. looks like the same skill level as the homemade toaster guy. there should be some law that prevents folks with poor motor skills and taste from making stuff. summary execution, using whatever they’ve concocted as the punishment tool. then burn or bury them with their stuff, unless of course it’s harmful to the environment.

  11. when working the same industrial job that nearly killed me, we used to offload flatbed rail cars with these big pipe on them (the same ones that nearly got me). sometimes we’d find a body between the pipes. apparently, the hobo would catch a ride, then squeeze in for a nice nap. during their ride, the pipes would probably shift, say on a turn. same effect as above.

  12. literally a sick joke:

    A Love Story

    I will seek and find you.
    I shall take you to bed and have my way with you.
    I will make you ache, shake & sweat until you moan & groan.
    I will make you beg for mercy, beg for me to stop.
    I will exhaust you to the point that you will be relieved when I’m finished with you.
    And, when I am finished, you will be weak for days.
    All my love,

    The Flu

  13. sobering assessment.

    Gail Tverberg says:
    December 30, 2014 at 11:00 am

    I really don’t think we have ten or twenty years left. Our current system is being held together by financial manipulation. The fact that this has worked as long as it has is surprising. It is hard to see that it can continue to work. QE allowed massive investment in oil from shale formations and in emerging markets. These investments are really not paying off. Also, the massive Chinese housing bubble helped the world economy, but it is hard to see how this bubble can continue to grow. Also, the Chinese housing bubble is a user of goods; it does not itself produce goods. Economic growth is coming to an end in the very near term, so all of this talk about what we could do in the next 10 or 20 years is simply wishful thinking.

  14. bounded on the east and west by oceans, spics to the south of us, kanucks and polar bears to the north. i guess we’re moron safe than de russkies?

  15. is it possible you have sleep apnea? http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleep-apnea/basics/definition/con-20020286

    you should write down those “random” thoughts you get in the middle of the night.

    also, my father would always “sleep on it” whenever a big decision was to be made, like buying a new house or car, tacit acknowledgement that something was going on with the subconscious mind that is beneficial to the wakened, conscious mind. AFAIK, we never had a serious discussion about it. parents can be weird that way.

  16. that amazonian shaman has got the white man’s number. hope we don’t kill him or bulldoze his tribe, looking for minerals or trees to extract. maybe he’ll get lucky and the white man will collapse and die off, first.

  17. speaking of crush and squeeze, i don’t know when there will be a collapse. gail sez maybe in as soon as a year, two at most. dave and bif and a lot of others say the system has a lot of enertia, so maybe it’s another decade (or two?) off. what has become clear to me is once we get a collapse, it will be rapid and a lot of unprepared, delusional folks will die off rather quickly. prepared folks may last a bit longer, depending on their luck.

  18. @ dave – nah, i don’t even snore…

    But do you stop breathing? Do you wake up with a headache? Do you feel like you didn’t get any rest?

    @ doom – must be a cop calendar – she has her finger on the trigger.

    If we make it to the next (s)election, then that will be the catalyst in my view. Particularly if Hitlary is elevated, there will be blood. It’s looking like the Jebster is serious about a run as well. Fucking die-nasties.

    Unless of course Putin decides to act first or Angela pivots Germany east. We may get a sunrise in the west yet boys and girls.

  19. when the collapse comes, these will be the most affected regions, in following order of farthest to fall first:

    Western Europe
    Eastern Europe
    Middle East, especiallly Isreal, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc.
    Central America
    South America (Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela)
    Pakistan, other stans, etc.

    the least affected:

    South America (Chile, Peru, Equador, Colombia)
    Indochina (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Burma)
    Papua New Guinea
    New Zealand
    Pacific Island countries

    of couse, this is just guess.

  20. painting with a very broad bush. if you’re a penguin living in Antarctica, you won’t know anything is amiss. if you’re a US government employee working at the South Pole, you are screwed big time.

  21. over the next several years global industrialism will see all types of crises. it will be held together with bailing wire and duct tape of various (mostly financial) forms. no one wants this system to fail. it will be supported by any and all means available until the bitter end. demand destruction will continue to make itself known in largely unrecognizable (if you don’t know what you’re looking at) ways. of course, this will lead to some type of crash when physical limits can no longer be papered over in one form or another.

    in 8-12 years there will be severe food and fuel shortages in the us. people will really know what it’s like to be cold and hungry. there will be all kinds of promises of aid from the feds, but none will be forthcoming. state and local governments will have no resources to do anything, except maybe from gangs, but that’s not much different than the way things operate now.

    in 20 years the east coast will be a largely depopulated nuclear wasteland. not from weapons, but from the failure of various nuclear power facilities that currently dot the area. the federal gov will be operating from someone’s garage in dayton ohio… i will definitely, without a doubt, be dead by this point.

    something like that… i think…that’s my fantasy anyway.

  22. maybe Indochina and Africa will send food to the USA and Europe in a kind of reverse colonial-globalization operation, to help feed the starving, cold white folks (plus blacks, hispanics, asian bros, etc.) there. ironically, in the USA, wal-marts will make convenient food distribution centers for what’s left of our so-called federal government. just like now, folks can continue use their food-stamp credit cards and pretend to be paying for food and stuff in real money. go ‘murica, number one, yeah!

  23. cancer is an old person’s disease, usually. about 100 years ago, the leading causes of death were respiratory disease and heart attacks, strokes. most folks died in their 40s – 50s if not younger from those diseases. i never knew my grandparents for this reason. these causes will make a comeback soon, because medical care and diet will be reverting to a less complex mode. maybe diet will improve with lower access to meat, but getting a balanced, nutrient-rich diet might get dicey. no moron 2000-mile salads.

  24. UR, back in 1995, i saw a sunrise in the west (or wuz it two sunsets?). we were camped on Alcedo volcano summit. watched the usual sunset and went to bed. later, one of our team got up to pee, and noticed the nice sunset/sunrise to the west. then he remembered we already had a sunset, earlier. it was an eruption of Fernandina volcano, a very active one on the island to the west. one of our team went to investigate it later.

  25. speaking of flashbacks, when i wuz about nine, i wuz staying at a large old house with other kids during the summer break when both my parents worked. i wuz playing with this other guy, about the same age. we found some boxes in the back and were caught having fun scratching off the wax coating on the cardboard.

    i have always remembered the house lady’s question. she said: “why do boys especially like to destroy things?” we just blinked a lot and stared at each other. she was right, of course, boys especially do like to destroy stuff. i guess she was thinking we should be trying to have fun making stuff, instead, like the girls, but at nine it’s hard to articulate that making stuff and destroying stuff already made is about the same. and even if i could, she wouldn’t have understood. she was right about the sexual preference, though, i think.

  26. “hard to articulate that making stuff and destroying stuff already made is about the same”

    “oorah ” is pretty succinct.

  27. I think the original meaning of the name Dorothy is “gift from God”.
    So clearly she is some kind of religious extremist and needs to be searched.

    Pray for Toto..

  28. “One of the first “big” words I learnt when I was little was ‘destructive’.”

    And look at you now, making all kinds of stuff.

  29. Yarra, regarding Dorothy, there were three witches featured in Oz, the wicked witch of the west, which Dorothy’s house landed upon, killing her. she took her ruby shoes, which fit perfectly. during her adventures in Oz, she was hunted by the wicked witch of the east, which wanted Dorothy dead, obstinably for killing her sister. the good witch of the north would often intervene, helping Dorothy and her pals, which she acquired along the way.

    question: there are four points on a compass. who was the witch of the south?

    considering that Dorothy did most of the killing in the story (two wicked witches, arguably by accident), was she “good” or perhaps “wicked” as well? (Eye of the Beholder, see TV clip above.)

  30. I think the original meaning of the name Dorothy is “gift from God”.

    Dios in latin is God, so there is some root there, Doro, Doros. Thy, thee is gift?

  31. jhk at his best. it always warms my own cockles to sit and his brand of unapologetic doomer porn. the point he always seems to miss, i guess, is that physical chaos in the face in the face of diminishing energy returns is absolutely unavoidable. it’s part of the process of systemic dissolution. there is nothing that all the governments, citizenries, or central banks in the universe can do about it. i’d say.


  32. i’ve stopped reading his post-collapse novels because they are just fantasy, for the reasons you state. he’s always had a series of blind spots, one of the moron glaring ones being the present high-energy society, with smaller numbers, makes it through the bottleneck to a lower energy society. he somehow expects a few hundred million in the USA to pare itself down to 1890s population levels without the physical chaos. he hints that there will be some, but the scale of it does not jive with the preservation of entire small towns left in tact.

    i guess he’s thinking along the lines of ebola pandemics or a chemtrails solution, the latter being a conspiracy method, so maybe not. his wishful thinking further employs heterogenous depopulation, miraculously saving his precious upstate new york and new england area. total bs. not to mention all those unattended nukes in the region.

  33. one of the better blonde jokes:

    A blonde and a brunette are running a ranch together in Louisiana.

    They decide they need a bull to mate with their cows to increase their herd. The brunette takes their life savings of $600 dollars and goes to Texas to buy a bull.

    She eventually meets with an old cowboy that will sell her a bull.

    “It’s the only one I got for $599, take it or leave it.”

    She buys the bull and goes to the local telegram office and says, “I’d like to send a telegram to my friend in Louisiana that says: Have found the stud bull for our ranch, bring the trailer.”

    The man behind the counter tells her, “Telegrams to anywhere in the U.S. are $.75 per word.”

    She thinks about it for a moment and decides. “I’d like to send one word, please.”

    “And what word would that be?” inquires the man.

    “Comfortable.” replies the brunette.

    The man asks, “I’m sorry miss, but how is your friend gonna understand this telegram?”

    The brunette replies, “My friend is blonde and reads real slow, when she gets this, she will see COM-FOR-DA-BULL.”

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