October 13th


In California, Electric Cars Outpace Plugs, and Sparks Fly

Jamie Hull, who drives an electric Fiat, grew apoplectic recently when she discovered herself nearly out of a charge, unable to get home to Palo Alto. She found a charging station, but a Tesla was parked in it and not charging. She ordered a coffee, waited for the driver to return and, when he did, asked why he was taking a spot when he was not charging. She said the man had told her that he was going to run one more errand and walked off.

“I seriously considered keying his car,” she said.

140 Replies to “October 13th”

  1. Moron OFW exchange:

    Artleads says:
    October 14, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    What if a new cheap energy source is discovered? What would be gained, and for how long?

    Gail Tverberg says:
    October 14, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    It takes a very long time to scale up a cheap energy source–17 years is the usual estimate I have heard, relating to getting a new invention into widespread use. We are so close to the edge now, it is hard for me to believe that we have enough for a cheap new energy source to do very much.

    Artleads says:
    October 14, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Scaling up implies a global, homogeneous economic system. There’s rarely consideration of variations between groups and places.

    greg machala says:
    October 14, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    “What if a new cheap energy source is discovered? What would be gained, and for how long?”

    It would have to be an order of magnitude more energy dense and more plentiful and cheaper than oil, coal and natural gas combined. If such an energy source was tapped and in 10 years time the global economy boomed to where 7 billion people on this planet lived like Americans…the remaining resources (iron, copper, rare earth elements, nickel etc) would be stripped bare and the pollution would be horrific. Energy is not the only hurdle we face as Gail showed in the chart above. There are many bottlenecks we are up against. There is just no getting around the limits to growth predicament that we are facing right now.

  2. “seems kinda pointless. but most things seem kinda pointless to me.”

    R U kidding? this guy’s gonna be a star! next thing you know, all the teenie boppers will be doing it on whatever replaced Americano Bandstand. we’re talking a whole new dance craze, a movement, lead by a dancing machine right out of Africa. (nice trend-setting outfit, too.)

    as for us, we’re too old to be doing this kinda dancing stuff. it’s hard on the knees, and we need as much mileage as possible out of them.

  3. can i sue led zeppelin for blowing out my car speakers and giving me partial hearing loss? i guess their defense lawyers would argue that my actions were entirely voluntary. oh well,…

  4. that movie was like Russ Meyer meets Hawaii 5-0 and Snakes on a Plane. all my favorite ingredients, but poorly integrated. the two blonds reminded me of a young Fara Fawcett.

  5. “People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.” abraham lincoln

    you sure that wasn’t the late yogi berra?

    my fav: “it’s deja vu all over again”

  6. many moons ago, as a geology undergrad on a field trip to a central nevada gold mine, the resident geologist told us that when times get tough for the mining company, the first to get layed off are the geologists.

  7. i think it’s kinda funny how a bunch of peak oilers (including myself, of course) missed the obvious demand side on oil prices. sure, prices climbed and spiked in the 2004-8 period, but that wasn’t supply-demand, that was financially driven speculation.

    only our very own JR got it right at that time, even before gail. (you got to publish JR, otherwise others take the credit moron easily). now, gail claims she saw it first.

    there’s a vast pool of oil out there that the middle and lower class americans used to tap. tapering off acts like a damper on demand, so the price stays low or even drops. i doubt we will see price increases for some time, or perhaps never again to or above present levels, if something else breaks like the supply chains or WWIII.

  8. “Hawaii saw a 23 percent increase in its unsheltered homeless population between 2014 and 2015, and a 46 percent increase in the number of unsheltered families, said Scott Morishige, state homelessness coordinator.

    There were 7,260 homeless people in Hawaii at the latest count, meaning Hawaii has the highest rate of homelessness per capita of any state in the nation.”


  9. Kunstler drones on about presidnetial politics as if it matters who gets elected. he’s smart enough to know better, so i wonder for a moment…. he gets current subject matter for his blog which promotes his book sales. bingo.

  10. not saying Jim’s a cynical, hypocritical money-grubbing jew or anything. a guy’s gotta make a living somehow. it’s just nice not to have to lie or misrepresent yourself to others, to do so.

  11. yeah, i didn’t finish that ny times bit. cause, a) i don’t care and b) no matter who or what it is, i only expect anybody or anything to tell me what they want to tell me, for whatever reasons they, or it, may have. “truth” has nothing to do with anything, perceived self interest is all that matters, which may include some version of the “truth”. i guess.

    the whole point of the article is that the the government was, basically, telling the “truth”, and that seymour hersh was full of shit? or am i missing something?

  12. dave, that’s basicaly it. the tactic used is actually very subtle. in whatever the article is about, this one being the official bin Laden hit story versus other “conspiracy” stories like Seymour Hersh’s (implyng of course that the official versions are never about conspiracies–itself a contradiction) they imbed a LIE or perhaps moron as throwaway lines. In this case, they state the glaring lie that 911 happened at bin Laden’s direction by highjacked planes flown into buildings–contrary to mountains of evidence otherwise.

    in another recently released on the JFK assassination, among all the discussion the author(s) imbedded the LIE that ballistics expert analysis supports the notion that Oswald was the lone assassin, again as a throwaway line, not part of the main story. why? because it’s important to the continuing narrative that no one is pulling strings.

    orlov is running a series of posts on these tactics at the moment.

  13. Wisdom from B9K9 over at OFW:

    B9K9 says:
    October 21, 2015 at 9:45 am

    “Let me start with that the world is more complex than you believe.”

    I don’t believe in anything – rather I rely/act on facts. I scored 220 on this test:


    The reason I scored so high is because I’ve governed my life according to the way it actually works. In that manner, I’m considered quite comfortable since I simply take positions that are based on reality. I guess many would be envious of constant travel, both home & abroad, lack of stress and financial security. But it’s available to all who can throw off the shackles of their (purposeful) training.

    Almost everyone is possessed by a genetic predisposition to believe – I call it the “belief gene”. It’s most obviously expressed in religious manifestations, but belief in secular institutions also infects large segments of population.

    However, if you are mentally able to divorce yourself from the conflicting messages constantly being broadcast, clear your mind, and settle down to really investigate what is actually occurring, then you too will come to the same exact conclusions as Gail, Paul, myself & others.

    In a nutshell, easy to access & economically available fossil fuels allowed the almost simultaneous creation of both a practical steam engine (1712) and central banking (1694). Central banking was & is, a purposeful deceit only made possible by continuing economic growth, which is based on industrial production which in turn is based on fossil fuels.

    No fossil fuels, no industry, no industry, no central banking. It was always known by even the most minor PTB that the name of the game was constant growth. This is what drove the necessity of colonial empires, which in turn necessitated the church to develop plausible explanations of why dominance was ‘good’, not evil.

    Now that we’ve crested over the peak of economically available fossil fuels, we are first witnessing the decline of industry, but the smart money is focused on central banking. CBs are private institutions owned and operated by the PTB. They, more than anyone else, know their 325 year old jig is up. Compared across the arc of history, it’s a minor, temporary blip, and yet it is the most dominant feature of our current time.

    With the coming unrest, the most dangerous threat to their continued control is a unified population; it’s merely a matter of us vs them. You either get this or you don’t. If you either cannot comprehend or refuse the facts at hand, then you will only have yourself to blame for any financial hardship, political loss of control or overall unhappiness you may experience.

    Or, you can wake up, get with the program, and play the game as it’s meant to be played. It offers a rewarding experience, especially the satisfaction of being “right” and the associated benefits that accrue to those who have a clue.

  14. attention fusion solution adherants and promoters:

    Gail Tverberg says:
    October 21, 2015 at 11:18 am

    I agree the problems were pretty obvious early on. I had my own theory regarding what was happening back as far as 2007. Steve Kopits then, and now, sees things differently than I do, although there is some overlap. Neither of us follow the standard “peak oil” theory, which is what Kurt Cobb is used to. So perhaps he is saying we both have weird ideas that he doesn’t really understand.

    Technological solutions aren’t solutions unless we can actually produce the full system that uses those solutions. The cost isn’t the cost of the “solution,” it is the cost of the whole system–improved electric grid, road that continues to be maintained, high cost of the electric car and resulting high debt levels for buyers, for example. Our problem is that we cannot implement the whole system, partly because of timing, partly because of cost/resources involved.

  15. meh, central banking is just another facet of another incarnation of another system. all systems suffer and die…

  16. doom, i think you’re going off the fucking deep end. first with your 9/11,jfk, etc. bullshit. now? i mean why even post that b9k9 shit when you know that i’m about the only one who will read it here. he scored a 220 on a fucking, “how stupid are test?” and brags about it? fucked up.

  17. i mean shit, all the managers of all the central banks on earth know that they’re kicking the can down the road. all, maybe not “all”, pols know the same thing. the average joe on the street knows it too. so what are anyof them supposed to do about it? except kick the can down the road, until they can’t. stop being stupid.

  18. gb, dave, thanks. you know, after awhile, all this doom and gloom can get a guy depressed about the future. already looking forward to my beer and thursday night football.

  19. the future? the present is depressing enough, never mind the past. mind numbing idiocy is the general rule, no matter the time period in question.

  20. a brief analysis of the amazing bias of CNN news’ presidential politics:

    1) the PTB obviously want Hillary to run against Jeb Bush. it doesn’t matter to them which of these two “choices” gets elected in 2016. it will be moron Obama-Bush appearing to run the country. the biggest threat to the PTB is someone who rocks the boat and instills revolutionary ideas. Hillary and Jeb are very safe in this regard.

    2) Bernie Sanders is a threat to Hillary on the Dem side, and The Donald is a threat to Jeb. For Bernie, the tactic is to make him appear comedic and silly, push the Larry David-type joking on late night TV. Hillary is the serious candidate. Nervermind she has no agenda than rule and BAU. Bernie makes threatening remarks to the PTB.

    3) CNN uses Jed quotes against Trump. They appear as headlines, but this is from a comparatively minor candidate in the polls that has also just announced restructuring of his campaign because of his consistent low poll ratings. Trump remains a wild card to the PTB because he is rich enough to refuse their money and may turn on them.

    4) If elected or even on a clear path to win (recall RFK) unfortunate things happen to candidates such as Sanders and Trump, usually by lone, crazed gunmen selected as patsies. It will take a lot of courage for these candidates to proceed forward. They’ll need a lot of good, loyal security.

  21. see? george bushco was/is so guilty of gross dereliction of duty that even the evidentiary material of the official non-conspiracy conspiracy story has him hanged six ways to sunset. throw in the neocon ‘new american century’ plans hatched by VP cheney, rumsfeld, liebowitz, et al. and it gets even moron interesting, but hey, so much water under the bridge now, huh?

  22. words of wisdom from Overstock chairman Jonathan Johnson via Zero Hedge:

    What did Johnson tell the UPMA? Here are some choice quotes:

    “We are not big fans of Wall Street and we don’t trust them. We foresaw the financial crisis, we fought against the financial crisis that happened in 2008; we don’t trust the banks still and we foresee that with QE3, and QE4 and QE n that at some point there is going to be another significant financial crisis.

    So what do we do as a business so that we would be prepared when that happens. One thing that we do that is fairly unique: we have about $10 million in gold, mostly the small button-sized coins, that we keep outside of the banking system. We expect that when there is a financial crisis there will be a banking holiday. I don’t know if it will be 2 days, or 2 weeks, or 2 months. We have $10 million in gold and silver in denominations small enough that we can use for payroll. We want to be able to keep our employees paid, safe and our site up and running during a financial crisis.

    We also happen to have three months of food supply for every employee that we can live on.”

  23. “I seriously considered keying his car,” she said.

    i’d never stoop to that. however, i’ll bet he’d miss his expensive car battery, if someone took it.

  24. “No one is willing to believe that adults too, like children, wander about this earth in a daze and, like children, do not know where they come from or where they are going, act as rarely as they do according to genuine motives, and are as thoroughly governed as they are by biscuits and cake and the rod.”
    ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, The Sorrows of Young Werther

  25. johnny and maureen, could there ever have been a more perfect tarzan and jane? as a kid in the ’60’s, i used to wait for these movies to be played on sunday morning tv. they probably edited out the naked jane swimming scenes…

  26. “The business end of an iPhone is essentially a shovel. Not very high tech when you think about it.”

    Greg Machala [on OFW blog] says:
    October 27, 2015 at 9:05 am

    Our artificial world would crumble in a matter of hours without the global burning of millions of barrels of oil (and millions of tons of coal and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas) every day, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year! It is sobering to think that even while you sleep all these resources MUST be continually consumed ( and at a break neck pace ) to ensure you can wake up and have access to water, food, electricity, roads and law and order. When the fuels from the previous hour have been burned up, more needs to be dug out of the ground somewhere and be prepared to be burned up as well.

    Lather, rinse and repeat until it becomes increasingly difficult to dig the stuff up. The business end of an iPhone is essentially a shovel. Not very high tech when you think about it.

  27. much to my amused confirmation, i was watching the opening monolog of the lata late show last night and noted what apperared to be an obligatory insert about the presidential race with some lines and pictures about sanders and trump as stooges. to me is was funny to watch the facial change on the host while doing these. he appeared pained, like he didn’t want to do the material, but was doing it anyway, probably because he wants to keep his job.

  28. “wow, i read through the archdruid today. i thought he was pretty good, not great, but pretty good.”

    if you give a typewriter to some chimps and let them type on it long enough, eventually a copy of “war and peace” comes out. or so they say.

  29. a good question. among undergrads, it’s probably about 20-30%. among grad students, maybe 10%. the grad students appear moron motivated to learn something, and the better ones have multiple offers from grad schools.

  30. i’m prone to seasickness, so small boat trips on the open ocean lack appeal. i do recover, however, on longer voyages. it’s just the first few days of horror.

  31. so most of your students are from the islands? of those from the islands, what % are “native”, ie, of Polynesian decent, and what % are “white”? the natives, if i’m not mistaken, have a term that they use for the white residents, “haole”, something like that. i can’t remember right now. again, just curious. if (when) times get real tough, who will wipe out who, the natives or the whites? you knew this all had to lead to some sort of doom scenario.

  32. the funny thing is that i’ve bobbed around on little boats, in all sorts of conditions, many times, never once got seasick. ( remember teasing seasick people with donuts and salami sandwiches.) anyhoo, the one time i got crazy seasick, was on a (relatively) large ferry going from halifax, ns to bar harbor me. the weird vibrations, the long wave periods, and the sickening smell of diesel fumes is about all i can remember.

  33. just the smell of diesel makes me ill. it’s that mental smell association with rock n roll ships. i do like the smell of gasoline, however, so a few drops spilled on the shoes is fine with me, but drives mrs. doom crazy.

  34. smoke a cigar after eating that greasy salami sandwich and chasing it down with some cold cheap beer. if you can keep all that down, you are an honorary salty dog.

  35. a lot of the undergrads are local, with a real asian-haole (white) mix. the real beauties were/are the mixed hawaiian-chinese-portugese, but they are rare finds these days. the few that are around usually get lucrative modeling contracts to sell clothes and jewelry, etc. to the tourists. you mostly see them in the magazine ads.

    the grads are mainly haoles from the mainland usa. some euros and asians from asia.

  36. we have really minor latinos and blacks out here in the middle of freaking nowhere, surrounded by thousands of miles of saltwater on all sides.

  37. so, i think you’re involved with some sort of geophysics type stuff. i guess i could go to the uhi website and find out. anyhoo, i guess most, or at least many, of your students are studying in hopes of having some type of “career”, or at least landing a job after graduation. how do you advise them in this regard?

  38. good timing on your questions. on thursday, i told the grad class that there would be no good jobs for them, no careers, and their life would probably be short. i also advised that they consider having no children, as their future would be even bleaker. i only discussed the longevity issue because i was asked a direct question.

    my advice was to not put anything they wanted to do off too far, and to try to enjoy the time remaining and the gift of american BAU. that our predicament was no one’s ill will, it was just the way it played out on a finite planet with finite resources. i ended with professor timothy leary’s famous quote: “tune in, turn on, drop out” that i modified to exclude the drug use he was famous for advocating (perhaps maligned about in this regard)..

    AFAIK, i’m the only professor/person to tell them this view of events. it was at the end of two lecture periods on peak everything. i promised them a scary week of halloween stories. the class is mostly women, very smart.

  39. we’re only a few years away from a completely ice-free arctic ocean in the summer. once that happens, the earth’s albedo will drop and the runnaway greenhouse up there will shift gears to high. methane hydrates will melt even faster in the soils and sediments, and it’ll get a whole lot warmer still.

    just think of the firewood you’ll save in winter. and, no need to heat your outdoor swimming pool.

  40. theres graditude, if you’re wise enough to be aware of other’s efforts and thoughtfulness on your behalf.

    i’m grateful to my late parents. they gave me opportunity to have a happy and prosperous life. i’ve seen and done many things that others only dream about, if even that.

  41. we’re also very fortunate to have lived at the peak of fossil fuel extraction. we’ve witnessed the growth it provided, and i guess we’ll live long enough to see the big changes in store for us on the shrinking downslope and upcoming global economic crash.

  42. yeah, i’m just saying that the two absolutes in life are suffering and death. i’m glad that you’ve lived some type of satisfying life, but you will, without question, suffer and die.

    in my calculus of life, figuring all the various creatures involved, suffering outweighs satisfaction by a factor of at least 100. i’d say.

  43. seems like the end of 2016 is the big predicted OFW date for SHTF, +/- a few months. that would be fitting with the end of obama’s 2 terms in office, not that he had much to do with it, maybe helping delay it somewhat.

    Fast Eddy says:
    November 7, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Massive amounts of money are being printed every single day of the week – the EU and Japan are leading the way…. who knows what other stimulus is being applied — we are not told.

    Yet corporate profits are crashing (down 7.4% year on year) — commodity prices are collapsing … the layoffs and the bankruptcies are starting …

    It appears to me that the stimulus is — as expected – no longer having much of an impact.

    We are starting the deflationary death spiral.

    Unless the central banks have another trick to roll out — and I doubt they do because money printing has always been the last act of desperate players — then I find it hard to imagine we make it past 2016 without the the SHTF in a big way.

  44. doomphd says:
    November 11, 2015 at 11:49 pm (OFW)

    “Wouldnt it be rather dismal if one lived ones whole life as if collapse was going to happen for sure next week but it never came?”

    Depends. Would you prefer living in ignorance of such trends and then one day, like an unsuspecting cow, you get a bolt fired into the temple? Actually, that would be the best outcome for the ignoratti and denialists. No preparations will make you a beggar immediately, with few to no prospects. Imagine the panic and fear build when you finally realize you’ve been misled and lied to, and your world is suddenly upside down. Better to be the ones turning them away at the gates, in sadness for their plight.

  45. Live each day to the fullest. You have a more material risk of being mangled out on the highway by a cell phone distracted driver or any of a myriad of other threats to your health. Not saying the other stuff isn’t real.

  46. everything lives and suffers and then dies. the little silly stories that one might tell one’s self along the way are just that, little silly stories.

  47. so, anyway, they seem to be talking in circles, and missing the point. the problem, in my mind anyway, remain a liebeg problem (law of the minimum). we, as a global society cannot produce enough available energy to maintain our existing structure and support new growth. available energy happens to be the limiting factor, but it could just as well be anything else.

    finance is a support structure, like cellulose in a tree.

  48. yeah, i don’t think you’re missing out on a whole lot. but both me and doom have a page there. something to consider maybe.

  49. well, at least it answers that question posed by that political cartoonist, what’s his name, on “what comes next?” you know that guy featured on JHK’s blog.

    there’s a bunch of these “canuk prepper” doomer porn clips on youtube. not too sure what the point is. infotainment?

  50. one of the curses of facebook is they hound your shared email accounts with “status updates”. they other is you can never unjoin facebook, even if you die.

    one of my dead friends from college is still there, on facebook. not too many updates from him anymoron, though.

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